The latest Omnibus spending bill has funding for up to 300,000 refugees over
the next few years. Doesn't mean there will be that many but the potential is
there.The FBI has said there is no way to thoroughly vet these refugees. There
are no public records available on them. All public records in Syria have been
destroyed due to the war. ISIS also captured a passport office in Syria and has
thousands of blank Passports. ISIS has openly threatened to send their people
here as they have done in Europe. There is no point in admitting people here if
we don't know who they are and the FBI has admitted there is no way to really
know who each refugee is.
As for a wall, so you want open borders. Let Mexico and central America send
anyone and everyone( you did say whole populations, didn't you) they want with
no restraints. WTF wouldn't come?Why not several hundred million Indians and
Chinese?With populations in the billions, they wouldn't miss a few. I bet they
need jobs and just want to improve their lives also. Why even bother to make
them come here to improve their lives? Why not just tax the hell out of
everybody here and send the money to people in their native countries where the
dollars will go further? Better yet, if you want to be *enriched* by their
cultures , why don't you just go live with them.
From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Pope - Again
You and I support the same thing theoretically; I support a *controlled*
entry and exit of foreigners also. Absolutely. SO DOES THE UNITED STATES.
It's why I carry a passport when I travel; other countries do too.
We can't be the world's safety net and we aren't, with respect to the Syrian
refugees. Remember that Obama, whom you despise doesn't think we should be the
world's policeman either and has been working to build coalitions from the get
go in the Middle East.
This what is so funny to me. LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, MIKE (It's in the fact sheet
I posted to you) and try and convince me there are hundreds of thousands of
Syrian refugees, every one a potential terrorist, invading our borders
unfairly. The majority are staying in the Middle East, first of all.
"A total of 2,290 Syrian refugees have arrived in the United States since
fiscal year 2011, which is when the Syrian civil war began, through Nov. 20,
according to the State Department’s Refugee Processing Center.
“It’s very important for people to know there’s a big, big difference between
the relative chaotic scene we’ve seen played out in Europe and the resettlement
process in the United States,” Boian said."
"The way it works is that after the State Department has approved a refugee for
resettlement in the U.S. — a process that can take up to two years — the
refugee is referred to one of nine domestic resettlement agencies, each with a
network of affiliates fanned across the country.It is those resettlement
agencies — which gather weekly — that make decisions about where to place new,
incoming refugees.The chief consideration is whether the refugee has family
ties in the United States, said Matthew Soerens, a spokesman for World Relief,
one of the nine resettlement agencies. If a refugee does, every effort is made
to place that person near relatives. That is why, he said, larger numbers of
Syrian refugees are placed in Michigan, Illinois, Pennsylvania and California,
where there are small pockets of Syrian Americans.Absent family ties in the
U.S., Soerens said, the agencies try to relocate people where there are
available jobs. Each of the nine resettlement agencies works with its network
of affiliates spread across the country. In the case of World Relief, an
evangelical organization, that network is often through evangelical church
organizations."
I also believe in the need to integrate refugees into our society and I think
we have a responsibility to assist. I also know that employing extremist
measures (e.g., building a wall or refusing entry to whole populations) is
nothing less than the product of fear and completely irrational.
What we need for all our citizens and those immigrating both are education,
affordable housing and living wages, I agree. Living off of welfare benefits
is virtually impossible and I'm guessing very, very, few people have that
intention or even know enough to know how to attempt it. It's comical. One
will spend years in shelters before one gets federal, subsidized, housing here,
which is still pro-rated for income. Food benefits are less than $200/month
here per individual and require a half-time job. Just try to get a specialized
doctor to accept the medicaid version of Obamacare. Did you ever try to live
on minimum wage? I did. Thank God education was cheaper back then and I
didn't end up starting off with $30,000 in debt, like kids are now.
You really are an "us and them" kind of a guy. And "they" are the enemy. Ever
meditate with the Quakers? Might be a good experience to hook up with a
different crowd and practice changing your perceptions. Change is the only
constant, after all. Staying stuck in your views will only bring you pain and
suffering and rage and anger and intolerance and impatience and greed and etc.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Yes Emily, we live in totally different worlds.You, in how you think it should
be and me, how it actually functions. I support a *controlled* entry and exit
of foreigners. We have to know *who* is coming in and what their intentions
are. And we can't be the world's safety net. There are literally hundreds of
millions of people in the world that would love to come here and suck off the
big tit of the American government and maybe try to make it if they can. At
what point do YOU say *enough*!
From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Pope - Again
We live in two different worlds, Mike. I don't envy you yours.
Closing our borders to________(Who? Everyone from the Middle East and
Mexico?)___________, which seems to be what you are now promoting below, will
not stop terrorism.
If you read the facts, the US right now is letting in very, very, few refugees
(those fleeing from terror, let us remember) and those that are let in go
through an arduous vetting process.
My heart aches for every suicide bombing, that I can assure you of.
"A breakaway Pakistani faction of the militant Taliban group has claimed
responsibility for an Easter Sunday bombing in a park in the eastern city of
Lahore that killed 65 people.Ahsanullah Ahsan, spokesman for Jamaat-ul-Ahrar,
told the Associated Press that a suicide bomber with the faction deliberately
targeted the Christian community."In the world of Christianity, "Christ is
risen" and the faithful will ascend to be with Christ upon their death. Let us
hope their families can take some comfort in this.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Emily, your naivety astounds me. Numerous Somali refugees once living in
Wisconsin have already traveled to the middle east to join up with ISIS. You
have the Tzarneav brothers responsible for the Boston bombings and the married
couple in California from Pakistan and others I can't even remember. Numerous
*refugee* from Syria and elsewhere are being caught sneaking across the
southern border from Mexico. Nobody knows how many have not been caught or what
their true intentions are. How many Paris or Brussels type attacks in the US do
we have to have for you to wake up. I have no intentions of letting my country
go the same route Europe has gone.News just broke about a suicide bombing in
Pakistan by Taliban, killing numerous women and children, mostly Christian
celebrating Easter.
From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Pope - Again
Mike, you continue to be so far off base in your statements on refugees that
are being allowed to come here, it's incredible. You simply never adjust your
position to reflect the facts; you rigidly adhere to what you *think* and then
wallow in self-righteousness, despite all evidence to the contrary. Fascinates
me, really, as so many, like you adopt this different perception of reality.
Your mind seems a very frightened place.
Facts about the Syrian Refugees
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| | | | Facts about the Syrian Refugees The Paris bombings and other
recent terrorist attacks have given rise to a political debate within the
United States about the Obama administration’s plan ... | |
| View on www.factcheck.org | Preview by Yahoo |
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Right, there is *intent* to play the emotions, especially when you show
bloodied children and lifeless bodies. What's the saying... A picture is worth
a thousand words. The the next step is that we have to bring them all here into
our communities or we are heartless bastards. Just as you predictably pointed
out, the excuse is, *They will enrich our communities with diversity* That's
just pure BS! There is no way to accurately vet who is coming, what their
intent is, how or even if, they will adapt to a foreign culture. Meanwhile,
ISIS is infiltrating the ranks of genuine refugees, intent on doing as much
harm as they can. Other refugees, not all mind you, who may not be terrorists
are exactly what liberals proclaim to hate... violent, misogynistic, homophobic
, anti -Semitic, xenophobic bastards that are convinced that they are superior
to anyone else. But then, how many women marry a man they are attracted to for
some reason, knowing he has many faults that she can't stand but is convinced
that she can *change* him. Sorry Anne, bringing large numbers of foreign people
here that can't be properly vetted, especially from cultures that have a strong
tendency to *not* assimilate and think your culture is inferior is a bad idea.
It's a far better idea to put pressure on neighboring countries to absorb the
refugees until things settle down. Western and European countries could help
foot the bill although the oil rich countries should be able to handle it.
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Pope - Again
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
No one has said anything about *design* to trick anybody. A wealthy person can
give all that he has to help the poor and then become poor himself. What has he
accomplished? Feeding a bunch of people for a day and then making himself poor
as well, At that point, he becomes a victim as well, needing help himself. This
is not being smart, not how he became wealthy in the first place. Better to
have a strategy that helps all and doesn't hurt anyone. The first rule of the
Hippocratic oath is *do no harm*, neither to the patient nor the doctor. A dead
doctor doesn't heal anyone!
I'm sure Europe doesn't want to go through those bombed out buildings again.
No, you used the word "intent" which implies some sort of manipulation of the
viewer through the use of these photos. These are journalistic photographs of
what is going on, not some staged actors playing the part of victims
accompanied by saccharine background music. You can either accept it or not.
You can either turn away or not. You can either put yourself
mentally/imaginatively in these people's situation or not and try and
understand the fear, the uncertainty, the devastation. You can realize that
other humans seeking refuge from such horrendous war conditions need help or
you might not. You could, certainly, conceive of the fact that human beings
coming to this big country we call "America" might add diversity, richness and
more humanity instead of having a decimating effect on what you perceive of as
"America" or not. It is your choice, your ability or inability or willingness
or unwillingness to accept this possibility which determines your status as
either compassionate or narrow and small - living in fear and constriction.
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Pope - Again
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
This is exactly what I'm referring to when I say *the heart*. All emotion. Such
pictures tug on the *heart strings*. The intent is to evoke compassion , for
those affected, the desire to help. Nothing wrong with that! Just don't create
more and bigger problems with the solution! Don't destroy what you have in the
name of helping others out of their unfortunate circumstances.
Mike, these images are what they are. They aren't "designed" to do anything -
they are what is happening, they are not staged or embellished. Bombed out
cities really exist in Syria, real blood is being spilled, families are being
decimated. This isn't some fiction made up in Hollywood - these are images
captured on camera by journalists.
Your final sentence is self serving and remarkably selfish. Don't
inconvenience yourself or threaten your own comfort by putting yourself out for
others who are in danger of losing their lives. No siree, let's just make sure
we all have our daily bread and our creature comforts and the rest of those
poor sods be damned; fend for yourselves you unlucky bastards.
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Pope - Again
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Maharishi also speaks in the Gita about the balance of heart and mind. One
should not rule over the other. If we are all compassionate without thinking
things through, we get ourselves in trouble. If we are all mind and intellect,
we lose our full potential as humans. There needs to be a balance.Maharishi
said Arjuna had a rare balance of both heart and mind. He didn't want to fight
and kill his own family and loved ones but he also knew the consequences of not
doing his duty. In the end, Arjuna performs his duty and fulfills his dharma.
Nobody wants entire populations uprooted and moved into foreign, both
culturally and physically, new locations that cause conflict for everyone
involved, yet this is the result of past policies in the EU. Europeans are
rethinking what they have done and realizing being open and unconditionally
welcoming without thinking things through wasn't the smartest move for either
migrants or their local populations. There have got to be better ways that have
not been explored yet.
Well, when you think of what those "better ways" might be have a look at what
these fellow human beings are fleeing from/dealing with.
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Pope - Again
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Yes, we saw what the open, welcoming and loving arms of the Europeans brought
them. I doubt that the Pope's washing the feet of Muslims will have any affect
on Muslims(in general), maybe on his own soul but little on theirs. If you want
to be served, you must first serve. Karma. Doesn't mean the person you served
is going to serve you back. Indeed , he may serve you with a knife in your
back. Another wise man said "Trust but verify". These migrants aren't being
vetted. There is little or no verification of their true intent or what they
expect to give or receive from their newly adopted countries. What is their
capacity to get along?
Here is what I say: stop focusing on the Muslims/Syrian immigrants and take
note of your neighbors, your country, your fellow Americans. There is enough
violence, ignorance, intolerance, religious zealousness and threat to keep you
busy without worrying about other countries, other cultures. There is not a
continent, a race or a society that is without its fanatics, its desecrations,
its cruelty. My point was really about how the Pope is one Christian who
practices what he preaches, who is not a hypocrite. The amount of "Christians"
in the USA who fail miserably at demonstrating the same spirit as this current
Pope is astounding. ISIS is one thing, the rest of it is quite another. The
inability to recognize this is not only crippling but disastrous.
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 9:21 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Pope - Again
I love this guy.
http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pope-francis-washes-feet-of-muslim-migrants-says-we-are-brothers-1290416
Drumpf wants to build walls and deport and the Pope washes and kisses their
feet instead. Guess what is the most disarming, breaks down hatred faster?
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