So tell me how do you know that even you haven't spend many lifetimes
pursuing enlightenment? Just sayin' that I've known a number of folks
who have had good experiences even with TM and experienced CC some time
ago. One of the problems on FFL is that people here seem to expect
"saintly behavior" which any guru would chuckle about. When you attain
"CC" you will have some samskaras in play which determine your
personality. I've even heard Maharishi quoted on this.
Recently I watched a documentary on Netflix about Steve Jobs. He
believed he was enlightened and it is discussed in the documentary both
from the perspective of Ram Dass's book "Be Here Now" where he also
mentions what I've said above. And from the perspective of a Buddhist
monk who Jobs visited to ask for help. The question was how could such
a rash person be enlightened?
So if you think that everyone that tried TM was a spiritual "noobie"
I've got a slightly used bridge here in the SF Bay Area to sell you. :-D
On 05/12/2016 05:01 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Well, if you think it's a hop, skip and a jump under other *paths* and
masters,...... knock yourself out.
I'm more inclined to believe that individuals *grow* into their paths,
regardless of what they may be.
That *growth* aspect involves time and maturity along the way.
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Read it and also Shiva Puranas, Srimad Bhagavatam, etc. etc. etc.
With TM you'll hit a brick wall but other paths have more to offer.
On 05/11/2016 03:10 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com
<mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> [FairfieldLife] wrote:
You might try reading the Gita again.
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*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
It doesn't take many lifetimes, it takes a proper teacher who is
qualified to teach it: an acharya. That said, some here may have
been practicing sadhana for many lifetimes anyway.
On 05/11/2016 09:04 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com
<mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> [FairfieldLife] wrote:
It may be *yoga lite*, but I doubt many westerners are really ready
for the *yoga heavy*. Maharishi was offering something for the
masses. It is as effective as you are willing to make it. One of the
last instructions in the initial course, in order to gain CC is,
*don't do anything you know is wrong*. Most people can't even
*begin* to live up to that instruction.
I was into the 5-8 year plan myself in the beginning but eventually
realized that was just a hook in the jaw to reel you in, as are the
rest of the *programs*. Real yoga requires many births with steady
progress along the way. Best to learn to walk before you try
running, patience Grasshopper!
There is a story in one of the Upanishads in which a shishya asks
his master how much longer to gain enlightenment.The master said
"see the leaves of this great tree that we sit under? One life time
for every leaf." The shishya, seeing tens of thousands of leaves,
was elated that at last, the end to the endless cycle of birth and
death was in view.
Krishna said "only after many lives of this practice does one come
to Me" Of course M had to weasel his way around that by saying it
meant after many experiences of transcending, not births. He
admitted that it was a verse that discouraged people from even
trying.The duty of a master is to encourage the disciple. That has
been M's goal all along. The carrot and the stick. Let them think
enlightenment is just around the corner. And maybe it is for a
person or two.
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<mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net> [FairfieldLife]"
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And at the end of the day, TM is still just "yoga lite." Folks need
to try the real stuff. ;-)
On 05/11/2016 05:14 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com
<mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> [FairfieldLife] wrote:
I have to agree here. Nobody, at least on this forum, knows
everything Guru Dev taught. He was said to be a master of all
yogas.I feel pretty confident that even Maharishi would admit that
he didn't know everything Guru Dev knew. BTW, it's said that
Maharishi gave entirely different mantras to Indians based on their
family deity, at least at one time.
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*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
You are merely speculating about a topic you don't know anything
about - without sufficient information at hand.
I received a mantra with omkara from SSRS in 1998. I asked a
Sankhya-Yoga scholar (a former TM teacher) about it and he pointed
out that it was a traditional polysyllabic maha-mantra and was
perfectly acceptable in the view of the Shankaracharya tradition
(sampradaya).
