"What happens in astrality, the astral, and again my understanding (experience) might not be perfect but it seems to be part of this is that it seems to be the astrality can have this incredible burden of emotionality, this emotional material that is not being processed so it is bombarding the physical body and it is bombarding the mind, the mental field. All this emotional pressure colors the mind, so the mind instead of being more of an effective tool in life of accomplishing things, it is meant to be more subservient. Instead the mind ends up getting colored by all these emotions that burden the mind, so you end up with a mind being beset by anger, beset by bitterness, bitter thoughts, angry thoughts, an angry mind: so you become burdened by them." -FF
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Q: spiritual practice? A: “..So in the subtle system, a beauty of subtle energy work [spiritual practices] is that it is so unequivocally divine. In a way it is giving the system an opportunity for that moment, and then again for this moment all they have to do is go back to it. But in that moment you are resetting it. In that moment you hope that they notice it. In that moment you hope that they get some relief, some kind of something happens where they have a moment of reflection for themselves, their experience and for their condition and what is contributing to it.” --FF ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Q:With some awareness you could use all the Maharishi programs to actually remove chaos? A: Absolutely, if it is understood that way. ] Q: In behavior and ethics, what is good and what is bad action relative to, does behavior help base an energy system or where does behavior debase it, energetically? A: What is sinful and what is righteous spiritually come down to cultural norms that have to do with helping people maintain their energy system. -The Fairfield, Iowa Satsang of 'Commonly Awakening Ordinary People' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : A: "This really comes down to physics because either behavior and practices raise the vibrational rate or lowers it. That should be the criterion, it is not that you are evil, it is just if it is becoming lower vibration or higher vibration. Is the energy system more durable or not?" -FF ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Interestingly, in modern mental health practice even the AMA has become more integrative in its best practices including prescriptive recommendations for a balance of meditation along with counseling, allopathic medical, and healthy conscious eating and circadian active living in remedy. The total person. The TM movement’s mental health policy was likewise brought up recently to be science-based integrative too. Was remarkable to see this grasped by the new TM movement and brought into modern TM movement policy incorporating the range of best practices. Culture and policy changes intertwined in time.. Understanding Mental Illness and Treatment http://portals.mum.edu/Customized/uploads/guidelines-for-mental-health.html http://portals.mum.edu/Customized/uploads/guidelines-for-mental-health.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesed...@yahoo.com> wrote : Yes, I see your point. However, I don't think that being ignorant of oneself is much different, be it astrally, divinely, emotionally, etc. I do agree that straight up psychotherapy is useful sometimes to unravel the stories people build in their heads. A lot of magical thinking or at least a naively uncritical view of one's life happens with too much meditation. As a friend observed, the cloth doesn't fade if left in the dye, it rots. The other thing is to not buy too heavily into the idea that we are separate individuals, because at the end of the day, we discover we are not, and this points in the direction of bringing fulfillment to such desires as helping those so afflicted astrally. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Your particular observation here and caution is quite fair. For instance, Guru Dev (Brahmananda Saraswati in his discourseshttp://www.lulu.com/shop/lb-shriver-and-translation-by-cynthia-ann-humes/the-sweet-teachings-of-the-blessed-sankaracarya-swami-brahmananda-saraswati/paperback/product-21350609.html http://www.lulu.com/shop/lb-shriver-and-translation-by-cynthia-ann-humes/the-sweet-teachings-of-the-blessed-sankaracarya-swami-brahmananda-saraswati/paperback/product-21350609.html) talked about it, Yogananda discerned it in his writings, David Hawkins used to advocate that people avoid what he called, the ‘astral circus‘ of realms of spirits, voices and such spiritism for their own safety. But the spiritual mechanism as reference here (an unfiltered technology revolution in this case) of modernism in destabilized debased (astral) systems, which these spiritual people are observing from their work with people, is technical and more to the equivalent of organs of the physiology of the human spiritual being. In organs of experiencing, more to the apparatus of the emotional fields of being human, fields as sheath, something like an electro chemical aspect of the physical body where it may have dents or snags in its flow from life being lived that can effect life in the body and ones health. Popular psychology and teachers it seems are more commonly using the term ‘shadow’ or ‘shadows’ in reference to it. This is where some categories of yogic practices and modern mental health therapeutic practices possibly adjunct to and more than just meditating, can come into being helpful in understanding and practical or hands-on remediation. This evidently is some peoples observation and experience with it. These people as you can read down further into this thread are putting their fingers on what they are describing as commoted, agitated, and even debased features in the system of experience that is human being. ..descriptive of something evidently ongoing. Empiricism and Science may catch up to the observation in time as they can can come to measure it. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : non-attachment is an overused concept, but if thought of impersonally, it is the only way we can exist both free, and aware of the astral spectrum. Built in, not added on. Otherwise, if we indiscriminately use our ability to access the astral realms, we can be led astray by the many entities there. I don't say this as something to be afraid of, but it is a possibility, until non-attachment is steadfast, and the divine reigns. There are three worlds, each more refined than the next - material, astral, and divine. The last one uses the refined perception that allows the astral in, but the baggage has been resolved. Fundamentally, we are material beings, that is our most obvious form, yet a familiarity, though not necessarily a preference for the astral realm is necessary for a full picture of life, as is the divine. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Q: “Held in the Astrality” What do you mean, ‘held in the astral’?… A: ..‘De-based’. Debasing because of an injury, or a separation or shock, exacerbated by influence, it is held in the astral. There are bodies, energy sheaths in the system. They are called kosha. This is in ayurveda. There are these sheaths and they have jobs. They carry certain types of energies.. The astral body carries raw emotional energy. This is unfiltered emotional energy. In a healthy and robust energy body emotions are processed and moved through, they are not held on to. The motion in E-motion. They move through. We are meant to have them. They are part of being human. All of them, but the thing is not to live with them, like let them take over. We are meant to feel joy, we are meant to feel sorrow. We are meant to feel anger, we are meant to feel happiness. These are all things we are meant to feel as emotion, but again it is not meant to be where we live, or where they dominate the life. -FF ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Within the spiritual energetics of postmodern technology: “..But it is a tall order. There is so little spiritual support yet in the environment and certainly because there is so little of it in the realm of where they are looking. If one is looking into bestiality, if you are looking into violence, if you are looking into bloodlust, if you are looking into bodily-lust, then you are going to find anything there that is redeeming? The seven deadly sins are the things they are feeding. Lust, envy, jealousy, rage, avarice. Fascinating but it isn't very interesting to me. Fortunately most of the time when I am working on people who do have spiritual orientation it is amazing what this energetic does in people. Because you can access spiritual people and find their heart, you can easily find the heart in someone who who is obsessed with all this astrality whose chakras are so compromised. Karunamayi used to call it 'dust'. That is generous, I would call it the garbage yard. It is like all this crap buried in the energetic system. -FF ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : It is interesting. Fairfield, Iowa is full of cultivated long time spiritual practitioners, folks who have been aware and consciously disciplined in cultivating an inner life, many folks for three, four, five and some for six decades. The satsang here by this experience is fabulously insightful when you ask around and sit with it. I have simply taken some time in transcribing it as I hear it. This last summer something that I thought was noteworthy in the conversation was how observations here collectively correlated with other awakened folks outside of Fairfield. As you read down through these transcriptions they come as excerpt from longer conversation with different folks who are speaking to the topic from the the perspective of their experience. Satsang, spiritual conversation, it seems is everywhere one goes in Fairfield. It is a type of critique of things which seems timely. Science might possibly catch up to describing it too as postmodernism in effect. A fair consideration. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : I don't get it - Is this an observation, a proclamation, a warning, what is it? I don't understand the attention this one facet of life is getting, as if it is something that needs attention. It sounds like the speaker is implying something outside their self be fixed to their satisfaction, and, "something must be done". That's how I am reading it...with a, "physician, heal thyself", recommendation, as a reasonable response. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : De-grading.. "Usually for most of us mere mortals it seems to be sort of a graduated evolutionary process that allows for these higher vibrational values to keep going. When you have in place and you have in play in this other agitated realm what you have is phenomenally bad, I am saying bad because of the suffering it causes, people who are just degrading themselves, just being degraded and degrading themselves actively going after it without any real conscious understanding of the implications of it where there is an inner innocence, where ignorance is an innocence too. In innocence they are just doing it because it is available because it has some stimulating effect in various ways and yet they have no idea of the implications of what the repercussions of it are and what it does to their energy systems." -from the Fairfield, Iowa Satsang of 'ordinary awakening people'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : I am not criticizing them personally. When I said they must be mood-making, it was because of the suggestion from your quote that the Internet, or 'smart phones' or something in that direction, was making it more difficult for spirituality to exist (I am paraphrasing). My point was that inner silence, once cultivated, doesn't go away, or get lessened. The idea that spirituality is fragile and needs coddling is completely wrong, imo. It is activity and challenge that stabilizes silence, by whatever means - dipping the fabric, and then out in the sun. As for a suggestion that time on a smart phone or laptop may be better spent meditating, or doing something else, that is a judgment call for each of us. There will never be a prescription on how to live our lives, leading to spiritual fulfillment. It is up to each of us to innocently continue a regular program of effortless meditation, morning and evening, and the rest will take care of itself. No spiritual supplements necessary, nor is there anything to be fearful of that will impede our progress. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Actually these people, the maha teachers and the ‘ordinary spiritually awakening’ around here do agree with your prescription, Ollie. You would find them practical and real in life as you are teaching. But to assume and castigate them as moodmakers seems just more ad hominem, character assassination and contending in place of consideration of what they are saying. Yours may be a different ‘bandwidth’ than these illumined. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : Agreed. Also, if these 'spiritual teachers' are concerned about the effects of the astral world, they need to meditate and integrate their silence more. There is a natural momentum upwards towards sattva once sufficient sadhana is done. If the astral is still grasping or they are overly interested, it is from not enough purity in the system. The normal state is to not pay much attention to the astral world, in favor of the material and divine. Then we can be useful. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Yep, maybe describes a societal agitation of a Trump in mass-media. A difference is that these spiritual insights by contrast offer what can be used directly as a remediation to what is seen as a spiritual societal agitation using meditation, study, and engagement socially to be of help to others. Research of modern sciences [of the postmodern era] would seem to indicate some validity to what these modern spiritual people are observing in their satsang and offering as remediation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote : I have to laugh and shake my head at this "commentary" because it sounds so much like Trump's "Be afraid, be very afraid" speech at the convention--not so much the specifics, but the "sky is falling" tone. I agree totally with Olllie; it's the silliest kind of moodmaking. And when it comes from spiritual teachers, they sound as if they're worried about competition. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : A Postmodern marination of the Etheric bodies in mass [digital technology] media of horrific image, violent gaming, pornography.. A Fairfield, Iowa Coffee haus Satsang commentary: So what do they do? It is like an addiction, is that they don't know where to look so they keep looking back into the same stuff for the distraction of whatever it is in the moment, and then you just invited in more of the crap, all this astrality. It is horrific and then it is spinning into their minds and in how their minds work. They can't think clearly, they have all this mental chaos, they don't know how to source themselves, their inner self, nor do they really have any understanding of anything because they are literally over-loaded with these images, all these horrific energies, it is bad. Really, really bad. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Ollie, you are right on both levels. I am journalizing here about what [great] spiritual people also are observing in their experience. Pope Francis and the Dalai Lama proly say the same thing, my sister-in-law who is deep with the SRF [Yogananda] spiritual movement reports similarly, that a pace in modern times evidently is exacerbating un-cultivated energies with consequences on a level. Evidently this is not the first time in history whence profound technological change hath wrought deeper or debasing mental agitations. Maybe not on your remote mesa out there but people who travel are seeing and recording a change in a collective human condition. That NPR interview reflects on it too, “Do we have issues now? Yes. Are they greater now? Yes, because of the split second that you get the news, it happens in Dallas at 6:01 and it’s all over the world at 6:05. So we’re hearing things more now. So is it better? Yes. Opportunities? Yes. Up to me now? Yes. Freedom to get your education? Yes. Freedom to go where you need to go? Yes. So, when we say that [it's better] and, I’ll use this term, the millennials say, "How can you say it’s better when we have all these issues today?" Well, Mr. Millennial, you hadn’t been there. You weren’t there. So let me enjoy my better. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : Am I reading this right? This notion that being connected to the Internet somehow destroys our inner silence? That sounds like mood-making. There is nothing that can destroy the silence within, unless it is unstable and not yet established. Once established, it quietly radiates. That's it. There is a net forward momentum, unshaken, not stirred ether - lol. "The lamp that does not flicker in a windless place." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : The Spiritual Fairfield, Iowa Coffee haus Satsanga observes, post-modernism: Debasing, debasing in a sense, it sounds like a judgement but it is not. All it is is in degrees of separation from your spiritual center. All it is is degrees of connection to your spiritual center. Quite literally debasing, as a base is what helps you navigate life. Everyone has a life that has its stuff in it. Life is personal , we have our personal stuff, our collective stuff, lineage stuff, so we are busy, busy doing all this all the time working at it but the beauty, the Jai Guru Dev, of what we have is that we have something that restores us to our base. These people are being actively and consistently debased. It isn’t healthy. They become mentally ill. They become emotionally ill. They suffer, their families suffer, it is so sad. The community suffers, it is so sad. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : We are no longer watering the root. We are losing the (spiritual) arts to distractions of the internet and gradually the subtle disappears from the world. Sit easy in meditation. Do sadhana. Go inside, going inside is very important when one gives up our body (to the 'commotion') then we can understand the shakti-maya. Meditate easily more. As the chakras clear the mental field clears. Meditate more -Karunamayi, Trenton, NJ July 2016 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : "Something internal has to take place.." MMY apparently said, “All stress is in the heart”. Getting to the heart there was an insightful bit of journalism on NPR Marketplace recently. Ostensibly the piece was about racism in America. But within the piece there was an insightful bit about an inside of the problem. "..Rights to do what? There’s right to do good. There’s right to be treated right. There is something out there that is trying to create separation in its most violent form. But we had some foundation not to retaliate in a violent way. [Martin Luther King, Gandhi] This generation does not have that and sadly innocent lives are taken. How do we stop it? Changing Presidents and governors won’t change it. The political arena won’t change it. I can’t fix you. Something internal has to take place.. " quote from, http://www.marketplace.org/2016/07/20/economy/how-deck-stacked/its-sometimes-sunny-philadelphia ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : In ongoing satsanga in Downtown Fairfield, Iowa the spiritual satsanga observes: that people overburdened and destabilized.. "So then it spins out, the spiritual ego, the sense of “I am a being of light, I am connected to God”, a spirit, a inner life is not there. So then they are tormented there, they end up becoming tormented by the concepts of their field. They end up tormented by the content of their field." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Dispirited. Interesting by comparison, the coming on of the industrial revolution propelled by technologies then that displaced 18th and 19th Century artisan and village life into concentrated urban slums, concentrations of wealth moving people off of land and out of homes this evidently triggered a similar mental agitation then in the collective of ‘yogic-body’ or the subtle system and light body then. An agitation like we see with this current digital e- technology revolution that has eliminated needs for whole categories of clerical and industrial manufacturing work and turned a lot of people out in to being renters. Likewise this modern technology revolution even in farming has certainly de-populated the rural landscape here in Iowa concentrating land ownership in to the hands of absentee land-owning and driving a new class of landless operators by rent of the land from the owner class. Suicide rates in farmers now are some of the highest given all the turbulence of rapid technological change in agriculture. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : I been reading about the Paris communard of the 1870’s and they talk about this mental agitation of their period as “the social question”. There was lots of mental commotion going on then also with varying models of description about what was going on and the cause. Eventually Marx published his own commentary and economic theories by the end of the 19th century. Lot of mental commotion though that is told as economic and political revolt that evidently was also in the psycho-spiritual of the spiritual fields of the mental bodies. - “The Social Question” manifest. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : This is true, Ollie but here it is observed again about the collective in trend.. I am out in NJ right now on a meditation retreat weekend where a post-modern mental agitation or chaotic disability is again pointed at as a collective phenomena in the subtle or spiritual system of nervous systems, what Karunamayi here from her travels is labeling, a mental ‘‘commotion’ as in what she is calling the sidha or yogic bodies. She does agree with you in extent about the transformational effect that one person ‘subsided in commotions’ can have on others and the importance of that for now and in the collective. She, Karunamayi, is an amazingly persistent stalwart sadhana advocate. Advocating, inciting folks to make use of all that is the human being birthright. Old TM'ers who were with Maharishi on courses in the 1960’s and 70’s would enjoy this satsang and fit right in. In ways she is most like Maharishi right now. About 500 people came here for a weekend silent meditation retreat. It is a lot of long silent meditating as a group with her. Is interesting also that these are serious meditation practitioners from all over the place and different meditator movements. It is quite a powerful group. http://www.karunamayi.org/world-tour/purnima-retreat/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :