--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > What I meant by my remark was that once enlightenment is > reached, > > > > the spiritual tradition we have followed loses its uniqueness, > and > > > > in some ways much of its value; an enlightened Buddhist shares > the > > > > same view as an enlightened Hindu or Sufi or whatever. > > > > When I was a TM teacher, and for a few years after that, I said the > > same thing. Then I asked, "Do I really know what I am talking about > > here, or am I just parroting unsubstantiated dogma I have heard?" I > > quickly realized it was the latter. With some reading and reaserch, > > talking to others, I found there are quite large differences in > views > > of different traditions and religions -- and representative saint's > > reports of states theyhave obtained. But I am not a scholar. Most > > scholars I have read or talked to, who devote their lives to the > > topic, find differences not sameness. > > > > Parroting dogma is a mental handicap. It can be overcome. > > Gotta agree. There are *vastly* differing descriptions > of enlightenment, by the enlightened, depending upon > the tradition in which they realized enlightenment. > Lesha vidya, and all that. The Self may be realized, > but the self still thinks very much in the same terms > it's been used to thinking. > > In Boulder, CO, many many moons ago, one of the spiritual > schools there used to sponsor what they called "Holy Man > Jams." They'd invite supposedly realized teachers and > saints who represented different traditions from all > over the world and put them up on the same stage together > to speak. In every one of them I ever saw, it descended > into arguments within five minutes and never let up > after that. For all I know, there could have been five > enlightened beings up on that stage, but they were > arguing like schoolkids over how to express or explain > that enlightenment. Go figure. > I think the key here is "supposedly realized teachers". Also, it is an important distinction between experiencing enlightenment, and 'how to express or explain that enlightenment'.
The diversity [of expression] comes from the machinery of the individual physiology. The arguing you mention above though indicates ignorance to me. I've seen discussions between enlightened folk, but not the arguing. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
