Some doubt is necessary to make intelligent decisions. Not enough, you are a
sucker, and too much and you lose out. I am well aware of what spiritual
practice in my life has and has not done.
Clearly meditating is not going to remove CO2 from the atmosphere. But would it
result in people actually working on ways to remove it and to stop current
pollution? People are working on this even without meditating.
Spiritual groups are prone to "magical thinking" which is just another way of
saying you have impractical daydreams.
Your second sentence does not make any sense in terms of resolving climate
change but relates to enlightenment, making hay while the sun shines. That is
working to enlightenment, which is a different activity than fixing the climate.
The evidence that enlightenment will bring about desired changes is not nearly
so convincing as true believers would have us think. It might be better to work
on the problem from a platform of spiritual ignorance.
When you are ignorant spiritually, you fear things, and if you fear climate
change, then maybe motivated to do something about it. If enlightened, climate
change and the human turmoil surrounding it is just the next experience in a
series of seemingly unending experiences in the field of experience
(consciousness) and is just what is.
Because the individual is surrendered, the solution is in the hands of nature,
so the question becomes what is nature going to do? Five or six times, life has
been seriously compromised on Earth. Planets seem plentiful around stars, yet
stars explode and destroy planets. Who you gonna call?
You have control over action alone, never its fruits. That means even if you
meditate, the result is not up to you. You do not even have control over your
potential enlightenment, it is out of your hands.
Do I have to be concerned about climate change? The devastating predictions, if
true, will come after this body is dead and gone. And now we have people in
government, who cannot comprehend the vast body of scientific research on
climate change. How would you expect them to understand the piddling small
studies about consciousness and its potential relationship with human behavior
and intelligence?
On Saturday, July 7, 2018, 4:08:41 PM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Some ‘in the mind’ intellectualizing may doubt the spiritual life for some lack
of experience and may disrespect the effect of spiritual practice in life. But
no, the question is not necessarily how could consciousness sequester carbon
from the atmosphere given the face of the global climate change science but it
quickly becomes what is someone, anyone, doing with a human lifetime while they
have it as while resident in the human species for a moment while this species
exists on earth?
archonangel wrote :
While you are proposing meditation as a solution to this, you have not
specified just how meditation will result in the desired changes. A paradigm
shift does not explain how that shift will induce the desired result.
First, greenhouse gases will stay at current levels even if emissions are
stopped, and no reasonable and practical way to remove the gases from the
atmosphere has come forward.
Enlightenment means that you know you, and everything else, is unbounded
awareness, but that does not solve the problem. Meditation seems to have a
rather poor record for producing enlightened human beings, almost everyone
seems to be trucking along short of the goal.
If the paradigm shift of enlightenment is so rare, how can you expect it to
have an influence on climate? If you are ignorant and stupid, and you meditate,
you stay ignorant and stupid for a long time even if you eventually succeed.
Smart people often do not even appreciate the value of a meditation system, so
those that could be the most useful in solving the problem of climate change
often will not even be interested in sitting around in silence or practicing
other kinds of techniques.
"Maharishi Mahesh Yogi went on a world tour in 1976 in which he inaugurated on
all five continents the Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment. Maharishi stated that
the Age of Enlightenment was dependent upon nothing. He stated that it would
occur whether we wanted it or didn't want it. He stated that 'Through the
window of science' he could see that this was coming and that it was his
privilege to be able to inaugurate its dawn in this manner."
So why do we have runaway climate change? It has been almost four and a half
decades since this inauguration, and the human race still seems as ignorant and
stupid as ever, even more so. The paradigm shift seems to be in the wrong
direction.
On Wednesday, July 4, 2018, 2:53:24 PM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Clearly, as we are in the face now of runaway global climate change live with
urgency. Jai Guru Dev,
..FW mail:
...In such a science-based and spiritual community as ours, where we have had
decades of frustrating experience in attempting to have other scientists
appreciate the Paradigm changing research that was peer published in scientific
journals about Transcendental Meditation and the TM Siddhi's Program, it is our
hope that our professors and scientists, and community are willing and open
minded enough to accept the validity of another Paradigm changing concept, that
paradigm change being the imminent unstoppable near-term annihilation of the
global human habitat based on copious volumes of peer-reviewed published
research.
Paradigm Change: Runaway Global Climate
Arctic Ice Melt and the Paradigms Shift..
Interview with Conservation Biologist Dr. McPherson – Mankind Will Be Extinct
in 8 Years or Less
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Gh30Kx1o5lI?start=219&end=1426&version=3
FW: ..here is a brief list of a few of the brilliant scientific minds of our
time who totally agree with Dr. McPherson. I am sure some of these infamous
scientists hold positions of credibility in your awareness.
Frank Fenner (June 2010) http://jcsmr.anu.edu.au/about-
us/honour-roll/frank-fenner
Malcolm Light (February 2012)
Louise Leakey (July 2013)
Richard Leakey (December 2013)
Neil Dawes (August 2013
Sir Bob Geldorf (October 2013)
Sam Carana (November 2013)
John Feffer (April 2014)
Noam Chomsky (June 2014)
Larry Schwartz (July 2014)
Ken Rose (July 2014)
Jennifer Hynes (August 2014)
Also
Paul Beckwith - Professor in climatology; working on Ph.D. in abrupt climate
change (Department of Geography;
Laboratory for Paleoclimatology and Climatology) at University of Ottawa,
Ontario.
Biologist Paul R. Ehrlich - Professor of Population Studies of the Department
of Biology of Stanford University and
president of Stanford's Center for Conservation Biology
Reply email:
Governors and Sidhas who are not taking Super Radiance meditation as important
because most of them have been ostracized and disillusioned by the movement.
And many of those who haven’t are not looking terribly healthy or sane.
With the Dome meditation attendance having fallen to be so low there is a
serious questioning about the endurance of the Dome group meditation in
Fairfield. This Wedsnesday meeting becomes an important way post in the
journey of the meditating community in Fairfield, Iowa.
Subject. Communal Meeting this Weds.
Phoenix Rising Hall (Burlington and 3rd).
7:30 PM,
Maharishi Effect: Fact or Fiction?
David Orme-Johnson, PhD, a leading long-time scientific researcher in the
Maharishi Effect, invites you.
FW email:
I don't feel climate change is (necessarily) scary. It can be sufficiently
controlled mainly (not only) by higher Super-Radiance (SR) attendance.
My concern has to do with Movement Governors and Sidhas who are not taking SR
as important as it is, not prioritizing it as much as they could. There is more
power in SR than in the people doing the climate change, gmo, vaccinations,
pharmaceuticals, and electromag, etc.
Takes a lot of integration to see through.
Archer Anangel wrote :
Yes there is some good science in meditation research, but seemingly there is
not much.
Perhaps 1% of the studies meet the gold standard. So out of 700 studies you
have seven that are really decent.
As the quality of the journal published in goes down, so does the quality of
peer review. There are top-level scientists, mid-level scientists, and
incompetent scientists.
So peer review is a check on quality only if you have good quality reviewers
and statisticians to check the math. Really bad quality journals are pay for
play, and you can get published even if the study is highly flawed, and the
paper may not get any peer review.
Meditation studies are a niche market within the field of consciousness
studies, and are typically associated with various religious-based movements
which are not the best mental platforms on which to implement impartial
research.
Because most of the meditation research is bad, the baby is getting thrown out
with the bath water.
Climate science is much more advanced and there is wide consensus that climate
change is a serious problem if you ignore politicians and political views.
Science on meditation is far behind in getting the kind of consensus we have
with climate change. It is the result of a bad approach, using science for
marketing rather than knowledge.
Promoting bad science in the name of meditation is like offering rotten
vegetables in the market. If we like meditation and it benefits us, that does
not give us the ability to evaluate the science. Subjective experience and
emotion and the results of scientific experiments are often at odds.
The best we can say now is meditation looks promising but more research is
needed. It is when non-meditating scientists in droves come into the consensual
fold that meditation is good for something, then is the point when the case can
be made.
This is not cynicism, this is the state of affairs. Meditation is great. It is
for self-realization. If you are doing meditation for some other reason, you
are already halfway to failure. Blame it on Western culture which does not have
a good social underpinning for this kind of practice.
Actually there is some lot of good science in it, meditation. Peer review.
What? Like the global climate science, what, 'all the science is no good
because some of the science is no good'?
That is what the cynicism offers. That one title said that way in that journal
is certainly evil,’Throw it all out because some is bad, poorly done’. This and
someone saying it sounds so rational and intellectual except, like tossing in a
Trumpism, the underlying assertion is simply not entirely true, a fake news
headline in itself.
Archer Angel writes,
It is great that there is an attempt to do research on TM, but TM and other
forms of meditation has a very poor record as far as quality scientific papers,
as this summary in Scientific American indicates.Meditation is essentially for
self-realization/enlightenment. Promoting it for heath and societal effects so
far has not set the scientific world on fire.
It does seem to impress people who know little about the nature of scientific
research and who seem unable to grasp the difference between a scientific study
and what they want to believe.
I think people benefit from meditation, but it is still not clear
scientifically what it does.
Paste:
Compelling and Activating,
the evident science research comes now also as Clarion call in life policy to
meditators to come together in meditation practice of transcendence in groups
and change the catastrophic future of mankind into Heaven on Earth. Everyday
matters.
A:
It is a fair descriptor, exponential. Graphs of so many of the variables within
the long differential equation of rapid climate change show exponential growth,
not just some linear changes since the 1870 baseline of the industrial age..
Coal burning, oil burning for internal combustion power, introduction of exotic
greenhouse gases, melt off of polar ice caps, chopping down rainforests for
palm oil production,
These are exponential peer review variable in a long equation that some would
want to wait on more and do nothing..(claiming untested assumptions?) for more
research? The person writing email also makes a good human observation in
expression about the limited capacity of some folks to think their denial and
inaction about this complex compounded problem in only linear ways.. I feel
the conservation biologists are doing a good job of having a rational
conversation about this now in heightening awareness of something very complex
that evidently can overwhelm a lot of people’s thinking.
Archer Angel asks:
Q: What is "exponential science"? I have never heard of it.
Mail: I have yet to find any scientist who understands exponential science,
and who has an expanded consciousness capable of comprehending holistic events
provide valid peer-reviewed scientific arguments contrary to McPherson's
observations.
email: ..members of Mother Divine and to Members of Purusha and every person
who was close to Maharishi (MMY) confided in us that foretold that the
impending phase-transition from Kali-Yuga into full blown Sat-Yuga would occur
between 2020 and 2025 at which time MMY said that chaos would reign in the
streets of the world like a living nightmare too horrible to describe. Oddly
enough, MMY's predictions seem to coincide in time-space with Dr. McPherson's
which in my mind provides a valence of creedence to McPherson's predicted
time-frame.
reply email: Good luck to any serious, rational, science-based person trying to
debunk the science now! There are more peer-reviewed journal hot links than one
could click on and read through in a week!
P.S. The 69 Self-Reinforcing Climate Feedback Loops all with hot links start
about half-way down the essay.
https://guymcpherson.com/climate-chaos/climate-change-summary-and-update/
wrote :
Maharishi would host/promote symposia to consider matters. Inviting speakers
and papers. Conversation. Consideration.
Radical Change is happening Now: Rapid Climate Change
This needs wider platform for consideration.Think of the papers that could be
given, the titles..A Conference program, published.. Presentations,
Presenters... Radical Transcendentalism, Phenomenology and Rapid Climate
Change.
Iowa Farming and Carbon sequestration
Greenhouse Agriculture in a Hot House
Public Policy and Transportation
Earth Science
Architecture and Global Warming. Designing for a warmer future.
Civil Order in a Changing World.
Global Economies and Meteorology, Changes in Iowa
etc.,
..a same kind of anti-science discredit they try to pull on meditation
research.
..
FW: emails: reply: Yes, we know that the majority of scientists disagree with
Dr. McPherson.
This does not surprise us since we know that precious few if any scientists
ever accepted Maharishi's scientific work yet we all know the validity of that
body of evidence. I encourage you to do some personal research by peer reviewed
published scientific research before you accept the unsubstantiated conclusions
of others less informed and certainly less validated in their opinions .
It is one thing to disagree with Dr. McPherson's hypothesis it is quite another
to refute the peer reviewed and published scientific papers underlying his
position.
"Three years to safeguard our climate"
http://www.stockholmresilience.org/research/research-news/2017-07-02-three-years-to-safeguard-our-climate.html
"..all in one summary essay on conservation biologist Dr. Guy McPherson's
website, including links for 69 individual runaway feedback loops. This is the
Clarion call for transcendence meditators to come together in groups and change
the catastrophic future of mankind into Heaven on Earth. Everyday matters.
https://guymcpherson.com/ climate-chaos/climate-change- summary-and-update/
P.S. The 69 Self-Reinforcing Feedback Loops all with hot links to the peer
review research start about half-way down the essay."
FW: Paradigm Change..the last week in May atmospheric scientists at:
http://www.copernicus.eu/ reported a huge albeit temporary spike in Methane
gas release in the northern hemisphere. This indicated to us that we may not
even have 1-3 years before the 'preverbal SHIT hits the fan' as Dr. McPherson
so aptly referred to what is about to unfold.
FW email: "..Finally we must inspire and motivate those present that collective
consciousness can and must alter this apparent scientific inevitability of
climate change. Now is the final call for our consciousness based community to
rally together in large groups to routinely do their meditation practices."
An Irony is that climate change peer review science and meditation peer review
science are both met with the same strategies of character assassination,
assertions by false truth, posing doubt about the economy being able to afford
remediation and skepticisms sown about science in whether correlation means
causation. In the same way that the scientists of meditation have known the
hateful works of the deniers the same strategies carried out by the same kind
of anti-science people and ideologies the meditation scientists can have a lot
of empathy for climate change scientists by shared experience.
Public Policy should be driven by Science. Considering the science of climate
change and science of meditation it is worth making a stand in human life."Live
urgently: meditate now! The end is plainly very near!" We can contribute
spirituality in to the rational consideration of of the consequent of Arctic
Ice Melt.
Considering Human life brings up spirituality right away.Such overwhelming
fatalism like the climate science gives will bring the push back of
materialistic nihilism. Spirituality then as we know it in our meditational
experience is the antidote to all that of 'nothing of purpose' andmaterialistic
thinking.The meditating community has its work cut out for it with thereaction
to the stark
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