Hi Willy: On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:36 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
> Vaj wrote: > > > Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-authored 'Spiritual > > > Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he probably > > > never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on Marshy? > > > > > We don't know if he did or did not. > > > If you had read the book, you would know. Wilber mentions the 'dirty > lowdown' on the Marshy in 'Spiritual Choices'. When are you going to > read it? I have no plans to read it, esp. as I don't particularly like reading KW. He's much more enjoyable on video or recent audio. > > > Given that most of the lowdown on the TMO is shrouded in > > secrecy and often only accessible to an inner core of followers, > > I'd be surprised if he did. > > > I'd say that if Wilber, the author of dozens of books, including one > with Dick Anthony and one with Peter Russell, once practiced TM and > that if his parents currently practice TM, that probably Wilber knows > more than you do about the TMO and the Marshy. I'll go based on what I have read in recent writings, lectures and talks. He may, he may not. As I'm talking to a number of his people, it may come up. We'll see. > > > This list is certainly an example where secret material, some > > negative, filters out even to the surprise of old and close > > students of M. > > > Are you suggesting that Wilber hasn't read the archives of Usenet or > Yahoo! before he writes his books? I have no idea whether he has or not. I would doubt he would use such unreliable sources. > > > Unlike people like Adi Da or Rajneesh there really hasn't been > > an big expose on M. and the movement. > > > > Go figure. > > > I figure that Wilber knows more than you do about this subject. Adi Da is a friend of his, so he probably knows much more than I do. > > > They are very good at controlling information and of course, > > selling it. > > > Sounds like you've got a strong bias against the Marshy, so your > anecdotes, stories, and comments would hardly be worth considering. I just prefer to see things as they are. > On > the other hand, Wilber seems to be a acknowledged authority. I'm sure > that if Wilber thought something was 'low'down' about the Marshy he'd > probably be reporting it. Doubtful since he's not a close student of M., As Mark pointed out, most of the inside scoop is just that: inside. I'm sure he'll continue to comment on what he finds valuable and what he is suspicious of in regards to research since it interfaces with what he does for living. > Wilber certainly doesn't hesitate to > describe some of the 'low down' things about the Adi Da and the Osho. Yes. > > > > > It's important to admire the diamonds in this life...but it's > > > > also important to see the shit they're embedded in... > > > > > > > So, you're saying that Wilber's parents practice TM, but Wilber > > > doesn't see the 'shit they're embedded in'? Go figure. > > > > > > You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you make your comments. > > > > If I wanted to know what he thought, I'd read something more > > recent, the book you're referencing is 20 years old. > > > So you haven't read all of Wilber's books, not even the most important > ones. Go figure. Nor do I intend to read them all. There are only a few that would even interest me. I'm more content listening to his on-going lectures, etc. which reflect more current events and POV's. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
