On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:46 PM, sparaig wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I think it's the whole shebang, a complete package...don't need
> > > anything else...
> >
> > Well that's probably because you were taught to believe that.
> >
> > When you learn more you find out you need to perfect the mantra in
> > all the bodies, not just the mental one. Eventually you need to
> > pierce the bindu. Unless I missed something, this ain't taught in
> TM.
> > It's as Barry described, a beginning.
> >
>
> So the guys reporting witnessing 24/7 are merely reflecting beliefs?

Self reporting would always be an issue in the TMO as far as I'm  
concerned.

Also understand none are able to demonstrate the full definition of  
witnessing (sakshin). Nor the full definition of turiyatita ("Cosmic  
Consciousness"). There are some elementary, hopeful signs perhaps.  
Given the fact these people have been meditating for a very long  
while, it's not that great IMO.


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