--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:46 PM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I think it's the whole shebang, a complete package...don't
need
> > > > anything else...
> > >
> > > Well that's probably because you were taught to believe that.
> > >
> > > When you learn more you find out you need to perfect the mantra
in
> > > all the bodies, not just the mental one. Eventually you need to
> > > pierce the bindu. Unless I missed something, this ain't taught
in
> > TM.
> > > It's as Barry described, a beginning.
> > >
> >
> > So the guys reporting witnessing 24/7 are merely reflecting
beliefs?
>
> Self reporting would always be an issue in the TMO as far as I'm
> concerned.
>
> Also understand none are able to demonstrate the full definition
of
> witnessing (sakshin).
OK, what is the "full definition of witnessing"and how do you know
that none of them are able to demonstrate it given that you don't
know who these people are?
Nor the full definition of turiyatita ("Cosmic
> Consciousness").
See above.
There are some elementary, hopeful signs perhaps.
> Given the fact these people have been meditating for a very long
> while, it's not that great IMO.
>
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