--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" > > <reavismarek@> wrote: > > > > > > Comment below: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > <shempmcgurk@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > > > > He's quite explicit in his Gita commentary that the > > > > > > enlightened person's actions are what Nature "wants," > > > > > > but that the person doesn't necessarily grasp the > > > > > > *reason* why Nature "wants" him to do or say this or > > > > > > that; it's just automatic and spontaneous. > > > > > > > > > > Mark David Chapman described his experience of shooting John > > Lennon > > > > > as one where he was watching what he was doing as a separate > > entity > > > > > from himself. > > > > > > > > Pathological dissociation and "witnessing" a la TM > > > > may sound similar in verbal descriptions but are very > > > > different things. > > > > > > > **END** > > > > > > I don't feel that's necessarily so. It's not implausible that > > certain > > > individuals have clear experiences of transcendence and witnessing, > > > but without the philosophical grounding or preparation for what > > those > > > experiences are, and consequently their psychology can't handle it. > > > > My first experience of witnessing was so unlike > > what I'd imagined from the descriptions of it that > > it took me quite a while to realize what was going > > on. But it was a positive experience right from > > the start, before I knew what it was. > > > > I wouldn't suggest that witnessing might not be scary > > and unsettling for some people, but I'm *very* > > dubious that even for them it resembles pathological > > dissociation experientially, based on my own > > experiences of both states. > > > > > > I think people are confusing unstressing with witnessing OUTSIDE of TM. While itwould > certainly be possible that some major negative tendency could bubble up after > transcending during TM, we're talking about witnessing during activity here. That's a > whole different kettle of fish, I think.
But witnessing is, in effect, transcending during activity. So I should think that *could* trigger unstressing during the witnessing experience itself. In any event, it's a *novel* experience, and that could conceivably unsettle some people. > > > If, for some reason, they have some pathology or violent tendencies > > > then they may act on them. Certain drugs or drug combinations, or > > > even acting out behaviors well outside the norms and taboos of > > society > > > may serve as the stimulus. > > > > > > Hannibal Lecter as a force of nature. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
