--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <groups@> wrote: > The powers that be (and some > people on > > this list) get very nervous when someone claims to have reached the goal.
I must have missed a lot of posts? Who gets nervous when someone claims to have reached the goal? I laugh a bit that "someone" has strived and strived and reached a "goal". Someonemay have achieved something. But that is not THAT. No "individual" gets enlightened and there is no goal that the idividual ever reaches. Artifiacts of language aside, this type of "ME"-focussed "my enlightenmnet" language appears to so predominatlye in some posts -- so it is notewrothy at times, if not amusing. But that some awakening is occurring, is nothing anyone would get nervouse about. Why would they? Unless you want to go down the bizzare Barry-road "You never had a spritiual experience and are clearly jealous!!". The major point I have seen raised over the years, and i have raised it myself, is that the "enlightenment" some proclaim, while probably a good and glorious thing, per the attributes cited, has little to do with what MMY has laid out as what he means by the term enlightenment. John was insightful: "As I'm sure you have gathered, Maharishi isn't impressed with flash, or imagination. But with solid experience of the Sidhis .. ". MMY has always said, when I have heard him directly in the 70's when this all came out, and on some tapes since that with enlightenment dawns strong sidhis abilities. John appears to confirm that is still the case after all these years. Clear Ritam was also a blossoming attribute of enlightenment that he refered to in the 70s. I have no problem, I can't recall any major problems posted, with people talking about "experiences". Great awakenings are wonderful. Who would possibly be "nervous' over reports of such? What is at times noteworthy, sometimes questionable, is when, on a primarily TMO-rooted list, that such awakenings are labeled with the same labels as MMY uses -- but without the corresponding clear sidhis, ritam, and other "attributes" that per his use of the term, manifest with enlightenment. I listed 27 or so a while back. I don't understand the shyness and meekness of the original post / letter. "These individuals generally do not wish to publicize their experiences. ... I wonder whether Maharishi would like to hear publicly of these experiences or not. It seems to me he would, given that significant numbers of people are actually realizing all that his programs are intended to bring about... Perhaps, for reasons I do not understand, it is better for the awakened in our community to remain silent and their experiences to remain largely unknown. ...If you feel Maharishi would consider it a good thing, I could urge one or more of them to relate their experiences at the mike." What are these walking Buddhas, Brahman Conscious, totally liberated universal souls afraid of? Apparently they are in the domes. And MMY has called for experiences -- of sidhis and statilized states. And many of the "normal folk" are responding with great experiences of both, apparently, with great adoring feedback from MMY. Why would these special silent ones feel shy about stepping up to the mic and discussing their experiences? Perhaps their experiences are so much more Brahamanic and the sidhis are SO much beyond the "normal-folks" experiences, that MMY will say -- "no, THAT Brahman is TOO GRAND -- Out with you out of DOMES NOW!. Now lets get back to hear of "normal Brahamn". Should tha unlikely scenario occur: MMY is mad that people are having good experiences (what a bizzare premise) and these special walking buddhas -- Brahman Incarnates -- what do they have to fear of being banned from the domes. "I am the Domes" ... What MMY may have concerns about, similar to some posters here -- is that some are lableling their experiences as something MMY feels they are not. In the TMO, and most guru systems, the teacher proclaims the label, not the student. The student simply elucidates experiences -- and answers questions regarding them. As makes sense. Thus when stepping up to the mic, MMY may label the experience other than the person feels is the case. i have seen it over and over. And some mic'er's proclaims are quite bold, and MMY's indifference is quite striking and amusing at times. Was anyone there when Sean Bynton, Larry Lyon and their merry band came and proclaimed Unity, thank MMY profusely for their enlightenemtn, and MMY was having nothing of the facade? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
