--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> > wrote: > > > > > > You are getting sucked into the conventional wisdom regarding > how to > > > measure stuff like consciousness. > > > > i am not getting sucked into anything. I have not stated my > views. > > > > I am simply pointing out that the TMO and MMY has a cleary > different > > view than you on the physiological correlates of higher states, and > > what those higher states are -- and their manifest attributes in > the > > physiology of the liberated one. > > MMY also? Are you sure of that? > > > > While each state of awareness is > > > physiologically distinct, I am not convinced each can be > measured by > > > today's scientific instruments. > > > > Clearly you are not. MMY and the TMO clearly are. > > Again, MMY also? You cannot prove that. Her appears to converge > towards the instruments, but has never stated unequivocally that > higher states can be measured with today's instruments. > >
Don't know about "today's instruments, but Fred T. seems to believe that there are some clearcut physical changes that can be measured, and that these changes explain things pretty nicely. Here's the clearest statement by MMY that I am aware of concerning this topic . I found it as a quote in one of the early SIMS/IMS publications: Spiritual and Material Values "Every experience has its level of physiology, and so unbounded awareness has its own level of physiology which can be measured. Every aspect of life is integrated and connected with every other phase. When we talk of scientific measurements, it does not take away from the spiritual experience. We are not responsible for those times when spiritual experience was thought of as metaphysical. Everything is physical. Consciousness is the product of the functioning of the brain. Talking of scientific measurements is no damage to that wholeness of life which is present everywhere and which begins to be lived when the physiology is taking on a particular form. This is our understanding about spirituality: it is not on the level of faith --it is on the level of blood and bone and flesh and activity. It is measurable." -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi What is fun is that you can actually SEE the possible correlation between MMY's description "Every aspect of life is integrated and connected with every other phase," and what is found in standard physiology textbooks. If Fred is correct about the thalamus issue, then the normal waking/dreamingfunctioning where sensory input of some kind is always going on has been sidestepped--literally. There are an amzing number of connections in the brain between virtually all parts of the brain, but the activity of these connections may well be secondary to sensory input--except during samadhi/TC. Here's a standard diagram showing a few of the main connections of the parts of the brain, aside from the sense- related ones: http://www.bartleby.com/107/illus751.html In samadhi "every aspect of life is integrated and connected with every other phase..." In CC, this is integrated with normal awareness. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
