--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning > <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > You are getting sucked into the conventional > wisdom regarding > > how to > > > > measure stuff like consciousness. > > > > > > i am not getting sucked into anything. I have > not stated my > > views. > > > > > > I am simply pointing out that the TMO and MMY > has a cleary > > different > > > view than you on the physiological correlates of > higher states, and > > > what those higher states are -- and their > manifest attributes in > > the > > > physiology of the liberated one. > > > > MMY also? Are you sure of that? > > > > > > While each state of awareness is > > > > physiologically distinct, I am not convinced > each can be > > measured by > > > > today's scientific instruments. > > > > > > Clearly you are not. MMY and the TMO clearly > are. > > > > Again, MMY also? You cannot prove that. Her > appears to converge > > towards the instruments, but has never stated > unequivocally that > > higher states can be measured with today's > instruments. > > > > > > Don't know about "today's instruments, but Fred T. > seems to believe that there are some > clearcut physical changes that can be measured, and > that these changes explain things > pretty nicely. Here's the clearest statement by MMY > that I am aware of concerning this > topic . I found it as a quote in one of the early > SIMS/IMS publications: > > > Spiritual and Material Values > > "Every experience has its level of physiology, and > so unbounded awareness > has its own level of physiology which can be > measured. Every aspect of life > is integrated and connected with every other phase. > When we talk of > scientific measurements, it does not take away from > the spiritual > experience. We are not responsible for those times > when spiritual experience > was thought of as metaphysical. Everything is > physical. Consciousness is the > product of the functioning of the brain. Talking of > scientific measurements > is no damage to that wholeness of life which is > present everywhere and which > begins to be lived when the physiology is taking on > a particular form. This > is our understanding about spirituality: it is not > on the level of > faith --it is on the level of blood and bone and > flesh and activity. It is > measurable." > > -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > > > What is fun is that you can actually SEE the > possible correlation between MMY's description > "Every aspect of life is integrated and connected > with every other phase," and what is > found in standard physiology textbooks. If Fred is > correct about the thalamus issue, then > the normal waking/dreamingfunctioning where sensory > input of some kind is always going > on has been sidestepped--literally. There are an > amzing number of connections in the > brain between virtually all parts of the brain, but > the activity of these connections may well > be secondary to sensory input--except during > samadhi/TC. Here's a standard diagram > showing a few of the main connections of the parts > of the brain, aside from the sense- > related ones: > > http://www.bartleby.com/107/illus751.html > > In samadhi "every aspect of life is integrated and > connected with every other phase..." > > In CC, this is integrated with normal awareness. This is an asinine comment, but it is an extremely complex subject! It's not as simple as it first appears. > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
