--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> <j_alexander_stanley@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <groups@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > on 8/21/06 3:11 PM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >> <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >> > , "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> > > > >>> >> 
> > > > >>> >> My prediction is that anyone who gets on the "enlightened"
> > > list will
> > > > >>> >> be banned from future courses.  MMY's organization is not
> > > built for
> > > > >>> >> people who claim to have reached the goal. The "only one
> > > beard in the
> > > > >>> >> room" rule still applies.  Am I wrong?
> > > > >>> >> 
> > > > >> > 
> > > > >> > That's why Fred Travis has been able to publish physiological
> > > studies on
> > > > >> > people who reported
> > > > >> > witnessing 24/7 for years on end: they're afraid to step
> forward...
> > > > > 
> > > > Fred was very condescending and dismissive of an Awake friend
> > > > of mine whose brain waves didn¹t happen to match Fred¹s
> > > > expectations.
> > > 
> > > Where did TMO folks get the idea that being awake/enlightened is a
> > > measurable, dualistic phenomenon?
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > From the idea that enlightened states of consciousness are STATES OF
> CONSCIOUSNESS, 
> > complete with physiological styles of functioning.
> >
> 
> I'm curious, is there any observation of people losing their
> enlightened  brainwave pattern, when  they get old and senile, and
> hence also having lost their TMO style enlightenment. People's
> brainfuctioning generally deteriorate, when they get old. MMY's
> behavior has for some time shown clear signs of his deteroriating
> brainfunctioning (which is of course natural considering his
> respectably high age).
> 
> Irmeli
>

Actually, brain-functioning doesn't deteriorate all that much just because you 
get old, and 
MMY doesn't show any signs of a stroke that I can see. Would you ask if people 
lose the 
ability to sleep or dream just because they got old?






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