Nice details on the early days. I was 16 in 1974 when I got involved, just a kid. My teacher came from the days you remember. The tone changed through the years as you describe. But I don't view myself as a victim of the movement. Pointing out its flaws or dirty tricks doesn't make me a victim. How I respond would. I chose all my movement participation and had lots of fun. It was a mixed bag. But when I was in it, I was all in baby! I enjoyed the intensity.
I think that MMY's ideas about of collective consciousness is different from karma theory, but I could be wrong. I haven't thought about this stuff in detail in so many years. Maybe it is just a version of it. I understand your point better from your explanation of how you view it. I think of karma theory as a devise to maintain the caste system in India. It seems like a convenient way to keep people from acting up in lower castes and to blame people for their own birth defects. I find it far from a comforting explanation of events. I choose to believe in randomness over intended malice from the universe. I guess we all have to face this very fundamental philosophical question "why does shit happen?" for ourselves. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > I enjoyed the trip down memory lane of movement history. It seems to > > me that blaming the people under the heads of the movement in the > > organization for how it runs, is buying into one of MMY's more > > cockamamie ideas about "deservability". > > Well, deservability is another name for that "cockamamie" thing called > karma. Hardly a MMY concept or creation. Like I said at the beginning, > the piece is premised on karma. If you reject the mechanics of karma > as being real, you reject the model I suggest (but am not necessarily > sold on.) > > > Another explanation might be > > that MMY is just not a very pleasant guy and runs the group the way he > > wants it. > > Sure, there are lots of possible explanations. And they are not > necessarily mutually exclusive. > > And my experience is that from 67-72, MYY was a very nice guy. Very > accessable, and giving. 73-77, pretty nice guy with some quirks. So > that fits the karma model. He reflected, and gave out what people > needed. As the TMO population changed, so did his reaction and > management of it. The sign of any good manager. (and what they needed > was also their karma.) > > > >He attracts the kind of person who enjoys having the power > > that goes along with phrases that begin with "MMY wants..." > > That was pretty much post my era. Apparently, that power thing > attracted you. :) > > Again, your point, IMO, supports the model I suggest. A different type > of TMer emerged in 77+ and they had lesser and lower motives, "spirit" > and karma than those preceeding them. And they got to dwell on and > exercise their pettiness, and got what comes with that -- a petty and > rigid organization. > > > This > > group displays the same kind of unkind and often idiotic behavior that > > is common among power brokers in any group, like Congressmen or > > Senators. So mix in some well intentioned people who are controlled > > by the more ruthless in power, > > Again, the ruthless and pettiness you describe were dominant post my > leaving the TMO full time in 77. Some trends of it 75-77, but not > dominant in my view, on my watch. And the new breed, the new kids on > the block, emerging in 75-77+ created a new group population, group > consciousness perhaps, that as a whole created and deserved, and even > needed, a petty ruthless, uncompassionate organization. (per the > model, again I am not necessarily buying totally into this rather > cartoon version of karma) > > The TMO I know in the mid-late 60s, early 70s was not IMO, petty or > ruthless. Rather it was highly supporting, compassionate (you paid > what you could), energetic, fast-growth, exciting, open, and fun. > Nothing scary or dark. > > > All without blaming the followers, who must cower to the > > powers that be or be denied getting on courses. > > Again, nothing like that in my era. At humboldt 70, all the teacher, > and the organization, were highly amicable, supportive, and cool, > about my desire to become a teacher. I was in Europe (France) in fall > of 1970, and decided I wanted to change my plans attend the European > TTC in Malloca (at that time, the americcan TTCs were still scheduled > for US) and people like Eileen Forestal in UK, and Mde Karvane in > Geneva were SO very supportive and accomodating to make it happen for > me. Absolutely no cowering of any form on my part. It was like having > concierge service at a 5 star hotel. I stayed on for two extensions > for a full six months. Everyone very encouraging and supportive. ATRs > were always a breeze for me to attend. My six-month in course was > highly supported by the movemrnt. Jerry madr a special effort to > approve some project work credit for me enabling me to attend. > > If in your era, cowering and fear-based actions were necessary to > attend courses, well -- what can I say. :) Sorry that was your era / > experience. > > Either you can see yourself as a victim, and buy into the culture of > victimization, or take responsibility for things that happen to you. > > > > >Other than some > > magical effect of a group dreamed up by MMY, there is no way for a top > > down authoritarian organization to be influenced by members. > > And the TMO was far flatter, far more flexible, fluid and supportive > from 1967-75 or so than you seem to have experienced. Sorry you didn't > get to experience the golden years. Poor you. You clearly are a > victim. You ought to sue! :) > > Clearly it had nothing to do with you. You were undoubtedly pure, and > of exceptionally sound judgement, going to work full time for an > organization you saw as, and characterize as, petty and ruthless. What > exactly did you expect?! > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
