I liked that film as well. There is an issue of duty in India that is absolutely absurd
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Castes
From: shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Castes
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> >
> > Well I can cop to my own waking state ignorance, but I never
heard MMY
> > deny the details or the caste system contained in the Vedic
texts in
> > this way. Sanatana Dharma is in full support for the caste
system and
> > Guru Dev was its champion. So even though your point may be
valid in
> > MMY's system for the 4 main Vedas, the texts that came later make
> > specific claims about the world. One of those details are the
> > structure of the caste system which is supported by MMY every
time he
> > talks about it.
>
> What I heard MMY say of caste has, in my words -- not his, a
genetic
> basis -- and a micro-cultural aka family environment basis. If your
> father is a doctor, and your mother is a doctor (I know several
people
> like that), then the probability is you will have an easier time
being
> a doctor than something else. You have a genetic disposition
towards
> it. And by the time you are 18, you already know huge amount about
> being a doctor -- just from dinner convos, walks on vacations
talking
> with parents, seeing them with their peers, etc.
>
> That view makes sense to me. Not that it should be iron clad. Nor
iron
> chains to keep one "down".
>
> And there is honor, fame and wealth in all four "castes". A "sudra"
> might be a skilled craftsman, or artist or baseball player.
>
> And the four main castes are seen in most cultures-- by different
names.
>
I really loved the movie "Bend it like Beckham" which is about a
first generation Indian girl in London who is into girls' soccer.
One of the sub-themes of the movie is how her father had been kicked
out of an all-white cricket club because he was an Indian and how
terrible all this racism and classism was.
At that point in the movie I felt like yelling at the screen: who do
you think invented the whole idea of castes?
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> >
> > Well I can cop to my own waking state ignorance, but I never
heard MMY
> > deny the details or the caste system contained in the Vedic
texts in
> > this way. Sanatana Dharma is in full support for the caste
system and
> > Guru Dev was its champion. So even though your point may be
valid in
> > MMY's system for the 4 main Vedas, the texts that came later make
> > specific claims about the world. One of those details are the
> > structure of the caste system which is supported by MMY every
time he
> > talks about it.
>
> What I heard MMY say of caste has, in my words -- not his, a
genetic
> basis -- and a micro-cultural aka family environment basis. If your
> father is a doctor, and your mother is a doctor (I know several
people
> like that), then the probability is you will have an easier time
being
> a doctor than something else. You have a genetic disposition
towards
> it. And by the time you are 18, you already know huge amount about
> being a doctor -- just from dinner convos, walks on vacations
talking
> with parents, seeing them with their peers, etc.
>
> That view makes sense to me. Not that it should be iron clad. Nor
iron
> chains to keep one "down".
>
> And there is honor, fame and wealth in all four "castes". A "sudra"
> might be a skilled craftsman, or artist or baseball player.
>
> And the four main castes are seen in most cultures-- by different
names.
>
I really loved the movie "Bend it like Beckham" which is about a
first generation Indian girl in London who is into girls' soccer.
One of the sub-themes of the movie is how her father had been kicked
out of an all-white cricket club because he was an Indian and how
terrible all this racism and classism was.
At that point in the movie I felt like yelling at the screen: who do
you think invented the whole idea of castes?
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