---Thanks, excellent essay...true, that's one side of the coin ...
(many Gurus are one-sided 100 percenters. We can name them: Ramana
Maharshi, HWL Poonja, Gangaji, Nisargadatta Maharaj, and a whole
horde of contemporary Neo-Advaitins who only talk about the Self and
nothing else.
OTOH, the 200 percenters are into BOTH relative benefits AND Self-
Realization. Andrew Cohen, although a devotee of HWL Poonja, broke
with him somewhat, coming up with his "Evolutionary Consciousness".
MMY is fully in the 200% camp, with his emphasis on "Heaven on
Earth", although implementation falls short of aspiration.
Sri Aurobindo would be a 200% Guru since he emphasized a type
of "Superman" existence, a clear evolutionary progression beyond mere
Enlightenment.
Some Buddhist Gurus are 100%ers while others are more evolutionary.
The whole spectrum of Progressivism straddles both of the 100%
viewpoints. E.G. Wilber is a Progressivist for the most part but I
see nothing in his writings about "Heaven on Earth".
The 100%ers believe that Heaven on Earth is a RESULT of enough
people getting Enlightened.
200%ers have additional techniques and approaches beyond meditation,
such as Yagyas, which they taut as supposed solutions to relative
problems.
To conclude, what you say is true, but that's only the 100%
viewpoint. I'm in the 200% School, ...not that I'm and expert yet,
but that's my viewpoint.
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> No, it only appears to be nonsense due to lack of
> experience with pure consciousness. Let me explain.
> First of all, from a waking state perspective, that is
> from a perspective wherein consciousness is bound by
> the object of experiencing, the question makes sense.
> In waking state there is a rather self-evident ego, a
> "me" or "I" that appears to be present in all
> experiencing. This "I" also seems to be surrounded by
> a vast universe of relative experiences both
> subjective and objective. The "I" is inside the
> universe. So from this perspective questions like
> "where does an enlightened person go when they drop
> the body" appears to make sense because it assumes an
> "I" in enlightenment as in waking state. In short,
> what will this "I" experience when it is enlightened
> and where will it be when it no longer is inside a
> body. But enlightenment is the awakening to the
> infinite value of Self. And if something is infinite
> it is outside of relative measure; outside of all time
> and space contraints. The Self of realization is not
> localized. It is not inside the body, nor is it inside
> the universe. It is nowhere from a relative
> perspective; it doesn't exist as an "I" or "me." But
> experience does continue, obviously, but now rather
> than being an "I" inside of all the experiencing, all
> experincing is "inside" pure consciousness. Everything
> gets turned on its head. All experience is simply
> something quite insignificant and not really
> real...whatever that means! So I'm sure when a
> realized person dies, the relative experincing will
> change, but "they" don't go anywhere. How could they?
> There is no localized self to come and go.
> Consciousness always "is." Experiences come and go.
> Death of the body is just another experience.
>
> --- hyperbolicgeometry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> > <drpetersutphen@>
> > wrote:
> > >(below): typical Neo-Advaita nonsense. The
> > discussion pertains to
> > the body, in the relative sense.
> > > You are making assumptions out of waking state. In
> > > realization there is nobody to go anyplace.
> > >
> > > --- Jeff Fischer <jeffcandace@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > When one has *awakened* where do they go when
> > they
> > > > drop the body?
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