God, that is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO true MC- about the vets being the last to know! I keep saying that to ANYONE who will listen! I finally made up a handout that I plan to give out to all adoptive parents that adopt directly from me with website links to catinfo.org (about feeding your cat and the importance of a species-appropriate diet)-- b/c I at least want them to know WHY I am insisting they buy the most expensive canned food (Wellness) in the store- and also the wholehealth website and the raw food website. I am not feeding raw (yet)- not quite there yet. If I had one cat- for sure, but with fosters and all the cat juggling- it's too hard. So, I want to give my adoptive parents the information so they can look at it directly themselves and I bet some of them will eventually go the raw route-- I've been lucky and have had some very progressive, intelligent, and well-off adoptive parents take my fosters! Very lucky. I am hoping that better diets for cats will have them living longer, not get diabetes or CRF, coming down with Dry FIP later in life, etc., so I am trying to push my agenda behind the scenes. I don't want my adoptive cat parents to get pressured by their vet into feeding their cats Science Diet kibble or something, so I have been flat out telling them: "you need to do your own research, join some cat care online groups, etc. and make an informed decision with all that information and not just rely solely on what your vet says b/c when it comes to diet and nutrition (and obviously the retroviruses), some of them are the last to hear about the latest research and developments!" Since I spend time at the store a lot, I have random people there shopping for food who ask me "expert" ?'s about feeding their cat-- a young girl with an 8 mo Maine Coon whom the breeder said to feed it mostly SD Kitten kibble for a whole year, and the girl said the cat is already 15 lbs-- so she wanted to know what I thought? I was like, oh my god, I get to push my agenda to a rapt audience! But d*nmed if I didn't have any informational sheets printed up yet (I do now) and I am going to carry them with me every where I go from now on! caroline
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:53:22 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: more bad news****FIRST OF ALL: NO ONE ON THIS LIST IS TO CROSSPOST ANYTHING I WRITE, OR HAVE WRITTEN IN THE PAST, ANYWHERE ELSE, WITHOUT MY WRITTEN PERMISSION.****please please keep loivng him and doing everything you can, but if the test was sent to antech labs for their foolproof FIP test, you need to know that it is just another titre test and tho the lab (and way too many vets) claim that it can tell the mutating strain of FeCoV from the non, there is no independent research to back that up. thank you for sending that link, kelley, i didn't realize that marvista had put up the info on the rivalta test! UC Davis has been doing a lot of research on the realitiies of FIP, and unfortunately, the same thing is true with FIP as with FIV and FeLV--ie, those of us who actually deal with the viruses too often know about advances in research and treatment YEARS before the veterinary professionals do. sad, sad. On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:38 PM, laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: right right. I forgot this. Ask your vet? ----- Original Message ----- From: Rosenfeldt, Diane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:27 PM Subject: RE: more bad news Lynne, I know how sad and disheartened you are, but please be aware, as Kelley says, that all FIP tests are not created equal. Most of the tests only show the *presence* of the coronavirus, which actually is present in huge numbers of cats without ever turning into FIP. It has to mutate to become FIP and make them ill, and it usually only happens in cats that are genetically predisposed for this mutation. I'm not saying that BooBoo doesn't have FIP, just that unless the specific test Kelley mentions is performed, the diagnosis can be inaccurate. The general wisdom is that FIP can only really be accurately diagnosed by necropsy. That being said, I'm so sorry you're going through this. Hugs to both of you and BooBoo. You're doing a great job. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LynneSent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:05 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: more bad news I don't know Kelly. He sent it off to a lab and specifically tested for it along with culturing the fluid. I have to assume if he tested positive and all the symptoms he has are those of an infected animal that he has it. Don't I wish there could have been an error but I'm at the point where I have to accept where this is going. I just want to keep him unstressed and comfortable. Unless there is some miracle drug that can repair all his blood vessels I'm screwed. Lynne ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:55 PM Subject: Re: more bad news Wait, wait. What test did the vet use to test for FIP? There *is* an FIP test which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know about it. It is called Rivalta's test: This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it can be very helpful in the diagnosis of FIP. A test tube is filled with distilled water and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this mixture one drop of effusion is added. If the drop dissipates, the test is negative. If the drop retains its shape, the test is positive. A negative Rivalta's test is 97% accurate in ruling out FIP. A positive test is 86% accurate in ruling in FIP. Source: http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will test positive for coronavirus titers. On 2/27/08, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does. BooBoo's cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia. There was no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him. There was no bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are leaky. The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it is all about quality of life. He will continue to drain his lungs every week to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid. If he becomes worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to do the obvious. We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at the moment. The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested positive for FIP but not leukemia. He said BooBoo has been hit with a double blow and unfortunately the end is near. I don't know if the Factor stuff will make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face the inevitable. My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being healthy and vaccinated. We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked. I'm seriously considering consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over. Lynne-- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.http://www.rescuties.orgVist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*Please help Clarissa!http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissashearthttp://www.change.org/rescuties This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. 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