It's not the same, Robert, and I am not sure it would work. The Epogen acts on the kidneys to secrete erythropoietin, which is a hormone that tells the bone marrow to produce more red cells.
The problem, in my opinion, is that the FeLV infiltrates the red cell progenitor cells in the bone marrow and either kills them or takes them over so that they make viruses, not red cells. My hypothesis is that when the red cell production stops, it is because all the progenitor cells have been destroyed or taken over the by virus. Thus, giving Epogen probably won't be helpful, because the cells which normally respond to erythropoietin by creating more red cells, can no longer do so because the progenitor cells are damaged or dead and can no longer produce red cells. Winstrol is known to be good for osteoporosis. My hypothesis is that it strengthens the bone marrow by encouraging the growth of new cells in the bone marrow. That would explain how red cell production gets started back up again with the use of Winstrol. Amani -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: September-18-16 5:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and other RBC enhancing drugs.... Wondering if anyone in the group has any experience with Epogen or Procrit ( and other such RBC enhancing drugs typically used with Kidney Failure patients).... It's appears to be quite a bit cheaper when used for veterinary purposes than human.... As the go to drug for anemia in Kidney patients it would stand to reason that it " should" work for Feline anemia...... There will not be the same resistance to using this as we encounter attempting to procure Winstrol...... On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 11:58 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol (dlg...@windstream.net) > 2. Re: No Mail (dlg...@windstream.net) > 3. Re: non regenerative anaemia (Anna Summers) > 4. Re: Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol (dlg...@windstream.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:32:11 -0500 > From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol > Message-ID: <20160916223211.2JALI.9765.root@pamxwww10-z01> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Last year I switched vets because mine was always out on a farm call > and I had to drive over 30 miles to St Louis to an emergency vet. > This new vet is there when I need her unless it is 2AM, and more > agreeable about trying new and different things. > > ---- Ardy Robertson wrote: >> That is so frustrating. It would be nice if we could concentrate on >> getting our fur-babies better, and not have to battle vets who won't >> cooperate. >> Doxycycline is a necessary part of the treatment if you ask me :) >> >> >> One of my vets finally gave up and gave me the prescriptions that I >> wanted >> for Tigg. >> >> >> Ardy >> >> >> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf >> Of >> Sherri Godschalk >> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:22 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol >> >> >> Amani, I did discuss my fears of stopping the Stanzolol but he told >> me >> basically that this is how we were going to do it. I also mentioned >> the >> doxycycline. Which I got just a shake of the head. I can't double up >> Bogeys >> meds because they only give me so much of it.until our next >> appointment >> actually. I'm not comfortable with trying to find another vet because >> the >> likelihood of them giving out Stanzolol is a turkey shoot. I feel a >> little >> helpless here. Hopefully she will continue to get a little better >> each time >> on what he is prescribing for her. Thanks for writing. >> >> >> From: Felvtalk > >> Reply-To: >>> >> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 at 12:26 PM >> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org " >>> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol >> >> >> Sorry - I was looking at the wrong thing when I mentioned the >> lymphocytes. I >> was actually noticing the MCHC going up (mean cell haemoglobin >> concentration) which is also a good thing. >> >> >> They lymphocytes have gone up, not down, and emphasizes the need for >> the >> doxycycline in my opinion. >> >> >> Amani >> >> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf >> Of >> Sherri Godschalk >> Sent: September-16-16 12:21 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First >> Month on Stanzolol >> >> >> Well we got good news at the vets office today. Not great but good. >> Bogey >> was on Pred and Stanzolol for 14 days. The vet then wanted her off >> (Stanzolol) for 14 days then back on to cycle her on it. Bogey then >> went >> into heat on the 5th off day so I called the vet 4 days into her heat >> because it seemed to be very hard on her. He had me go right back on >> the >> Stanzolol and her heat ended the next day. So what we had was 2 weeks >> on, 10 >> days off and been back on it now for 7 days. Her are her results from >> 9/16 >> and the ones from 8/24. >> >> >> 9/16 >> 8/24 >> >> RBC 2.57 >> 2.43 >> >> HCT 15.3 >> 15.3 >> >> HGB 5.5 >> 5.3 >> >> MCV 59.1 >> 62.6 >> >> MCH 21.4 >> 21.8 >> >> MCHC 36.2 >> 34.9 >> >> RDW 23.7 >> 23.9 >> >> RETIC 78.1 >> 61.5 >> >> WBC 14.47 >> 13.46 >> >> NEU 4.07 >> 4.03 >> >> LYM 8.83 >> 7.75 >> >> MONO 1.52 >> 1.58 >> >> EOS .004 >> .010 >> >> BASO .010 >> .000 >> >> PLT 88 >> 50 >> >> >> She did not have a fever today and had gained almost .75 of a pound >> since >> 8/1. She is still playing some, eating and drinking well. But still >> is >> wobbly and sleeps quite a bit. She is holding her own on this drug >> combo and >> the vet was very happy especially with the PLT, which I need to read >> about >> again. We are keeping her on it for 30 days this next cycle and >> rechecking >> then. (Although I will probably take her in before that because I am >> a >> worrier) >> >> >> Just thought I would post this for other FELV+ owners incase you were >> doubting this drug (Stanzolol) because of the potential of damage >> later in >> life. Remember we must get them to "later in life" first. >> >> Thank you all and best wishes. >> >> >> Sherri >> >> _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:35:28 -0500 > From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Mail > Message-ID: <20160916223528.7GR0Q.9769.root@pamxwww10-z01> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > No matter the caue of their death, we miss them. Sometimes I think I > see those who have gone on and call to them, but of corse, they are > not there. It is like with my mother and father, I start to tell them > about an incident in my day and realize that I no longer can tell > them. My chirppractor told me to write a journal about each day. It > does seem to help. > > > ---- Ardy Robertson wrote: >> To Marsha, >> I'm so sorry that you lost Brock. It just happens to be the same day >> I lost >> my Tigger... April 29th. What an awful day. I miss him so much, as I >> am sure >> you miss Brock along with the other two before him. I now have a >> little girl >> - Topaz and she is negative and vaccinated. I hate FeLV and hope they >> can >> cure it someday. >> Ardy >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf >> Of >> Marsha >> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 2:28 AM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Mail >> >> I lost my final FeLV+ boy on April 29 of this year. Milkdud was my >> first FeLV+ cat, who arrived in the fall of 2009. Harley came a year >> later. >> Then Brock became Harley's companion after Milkdud died. Brock >> wasn't >> lonely after Harley died last year, as Harley had been after Milkdud >> passed, >> so I didn't look for a companion for Brock. Cancer took all 3, >> though >> Harley had a life-threatening URI 2 months before he got cancer, and >> Brock >> had a heart condition that usually claims feline lives within 3 >> months, yet >> he happily survived a year with it. >> >> Missing my sweet, sweet boys, >> >> Marsha >> >> On 9/14/2016 6:17 PM, Lorrie wrote: >>> I've not had any mail from the group in about a month. >>> I hope this means you and your kitties are all doing well. >>> However I wonder if I've been dumped by the automatic system that >>> claims I have bounced mail, which I do NOT. >>> >>> Lorrie >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 11:27:23 +0200 > From: Anna Summers To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] non regenerative anaemia > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > from the people in this group they have seen winstol help - try it ?. > it might help her ? I lost my girl last year , I asked the vet to get > me winstol but by the time they found out about it , it was too late > for mine. Its such a horrible virus ? hopefully one day there will be > more treatments ,sending lots of purrs from us in Spain . >> On 16 Sep 2016, at 19:33, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: >> >> I have no experience with this as I have had no need for it, but >> others have had very good luck. I will add you both to my prayer >> list >> ---- Lorelli wrote: >>> Hi all >>> >>> My cat Sherpa is 18months old and Felv+. 10 days ago she was >>> diagnosed with >>> severe non regenerative anaemia. Haemocrit 12.7%. She has been >>> trying >>> hard, eating well and even hunting moths but went downhill 2 days >>> ago. I was >>> all set to euthanase her today when I stumbled across the comments >>> on >>> Winstrol. My vet was willing to try something similar as she >>> couldn't get >>> Winstrol in the UK. She injected her with Laurabolin today. >>> >>> >>> >>> Did the Winstrol help cats with non regenerative anaemia? Are there >>> any >>> helpful articles on it out there? >>> >>> >>> >>> Also how long should I give it before I decide if it is working or >>> not? I >>> don't want to prolong her suffering. >>> >>> >>> >>> She is still alert and trying to live but off her food now. Vet has >>> given >>> her Mirtazapine that may help that. She is also on Veraflox for >>> suspected >>> mycoplasma infection and Loxicom for fever. >>> >>> Any advice out there please? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> Lorelli >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > Anna Summers > Tel :00 34 670671493 > > > (Camino de Guerrero, 62) > El Palmar, Vejer de la Frontera, 11159 > Cadiz > Spain > > http://www.amproductionslocations.com/amproductions.html > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 10:58:29 -0500 > From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol > Message-ID: <20160917115829.DQIFT.4512.root@pamxwww02-z01> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Dose Doxycydine have a long shelf life? It would be nice to get some > ahead of time so you could start treatment right away. This would > require cooperation from a vet, maybe online who could prescribe it > for you and give instructions on how to administer it. It is not hard > to learn giving shots or iv's if necesseray. Treating at home is less > stressful and they have you for comfort, their own toys, beds, etc. > > > ---- Ardy Robertson wrote: >> That is so frustrating. It would be nice if we could concentrate on >> getting >> our fur-babies better, and not have to battle vets who won't >> cooperate. >> Doxycycline is a necessary part of the treatment if you ask me :) >> >> >> One of my vets finally gave up and gave me the prescriptions that I >> wanted >> for Tigg. >> >> >> Ardy >> >> >> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf >> Of >> Sherri Godschalk >> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:22 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol >> >> >> Amani, I did discuss my fears of stopping the Stanzolol but he told >> me >> basically that this is how we were going to do it. I also mentioned >> the >> doxycycline. Which I got just a shake of the head. I can't double up >> Bogeys >> meds because they only give me so much of it.until our next >> appointment >> actually. I'm not comfortable with trying to find another vet because >> the >> likelihood of them giving out Stanzolol is a turkey shoot. I feel a >> little >> helpless here. Hopefully she will continue to get a little better >> each time >> on what he is prescribing for her. Thanks for writing. >> >> >> From: Felvtalk > >> Reply-To: >>> >> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 at 12:26 PM >> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org " >>> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol >> >> >> Sorry - I was looking at the wrong thing when I mentioned the >> lymphocytes. I >> was actually noticing the MCHC going up (mean cell haemoglobin >> concentration) which is also a good thing. >> >> >> They lymphocytes have gone up, not down, and emphasizes the need for >> the >> doxycycline in my opinion. >> >> >> Amani >> >> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf >> Of >> Sherri Godschalk >> Sent: September-16-16 12:21 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First >> Month on Stanzolol >> >> >> Well we got good news at the vets office today. Not great but good. >> Bogey >> was on Pred and Stanzolol for 14 days. The vet then wanted her off >> (Stanzolol) for 14 days then back on to cycle her on it. Bogey then >> went >> into heat on the 5th off day so I called the vet 4 days into her heat >> because it seemed to be very hard on her. He had me go right back on >> the >> Stanzolol and her heat ended the next day. So what we had was 2 weeks >> on, 10 >> days off and been back on it now for 7 days. Her are her results from >> 9/16 >> and the ones from 8/24. >> >> >> 9/16 >> 8/24 >> >> RBC 2.57 >> 2.43 >> >> HCT 15.3 >> 15.3 >> >> HGB 5.5 >> 5.3 >> >> MCV 59.1 >> 62.6 >> >> MCH 21.4 >> 21.8 >> >> MCHC 36.2 >> 34.9 >> >> RDW 23.7 >> 23.9 >> >> RETIC 78.1 >> 61.5 >> >> WBC 14.47 >> 13.46 >> >> NEU 4.07 >> 4.03 >> >> LYM 8.83 >> 7.75 >> >> MONO 1.52 >> 1.58 >> >> EOS .004 >> .010 >> >> BASO .010 >> .000 >> >> PLT 88 >> 50 >> >> >> She did not have a fever today and had gained almost .75 of a pound >> since >> 8/1. She is still playing some, eating and drinking well. But still >> is >> wobbly and sleeps quite a bit. She is holding her own on this drug >> combo and >> the vet was very happy especially with the PLT, which I need to read >> about >> again. We are keeping her on it for 30 days this next cycle and >> rechecking >> then. (Although I will probably take her in before that because I am >> a >> worrier) >> >> >> Just thought I would post this for other FELV+ owners incase you were >> doubting this drug (Stanzolol) because of the potential of damage >> later in >> life. Remember we must get them to "later in life" first. >> >> Thank you all and best wishes. >> >> >> Sherri >> >> _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 16 > **************************************** > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
