On Wed, Feb 09, 2011 at 05:37:38PM -0600, Andy Ray Terrel wrote: > On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Anders Logg <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 09, 2011 at 10:23:44AM -0800, Johan Hake wrote: > >> On Wednesday February 9 2011 10:14:51 Johan Hake wrote: > >> > On Wednesday February 9 2011 10:10:04 Anders Logg wrote: > >> > > On Wed, Feb 09, 2011 at 09:52:21AM -0800, Johan Hake wrote: > >> > > > Hello! > >> > > > > >> > > > UCSD is not willing to sign the consent statement about GPL 3... > >> > > > > >> > > > From the answer I got: > >> > > > LGPL incorporates GPL 3, and that is the problem. Earlier versions > >> > > > of > >> > > > the GPL did not deal in patent rights, while Version 3 does. It > >> > > > would > >> > > > commit a license to the entire UC patent estate, whether the > >> > > > inventors were an informed participant or not. I would need to > >> > > > consult further with UC General Counsel for a detailed answer, but > >> > > > the spirit is that the license overreaches in its commitments to > >> > > > patent rights beyond what the university is willing to do. > >> > > > >> > > That seems strange. So UCSD will want to retain the right to sue users > >> > > of DOLFIN if you should happen to add code to DOLFIN that infringes on > >> > > some patent held by UCSD? > >> > > >> > I have no clue what it means. But I will ask. > >> > >> Here is a more elaborated explaination: > >> > >> The language is pretty clear in section 11 of the GPL V3 license - it > >> commits all the rights of the Licensor (the Regents of the University of > >> California) to a license. Our normal licensing practice is to license one > >> technology at a time, and we do not license the other patents along with > >> it. > >> Our guiding principles for licensing are at this link > >> > >> <http://invent.ucsd.edu/faculty/policies/guiding-principles.shtml> > >> > >> Johan > > > > Is it this paragraph? > > > > "Each contributor grants you a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free > > patent license under the contributor's essential patent claims, to > > make, use, sell, offer for sale, import and otherwise run, modify and > > propagate the contents of its contributor version." > > > > Assuming that something in your contract makes UCSD the "contributor" > > and not you personally, this means that UCSD grants any patent > > licenses needed to run the code that you put into FEniCS. > > > > The other option is to reserve the right to sue the users of FEniCS > > for any UCSD patents that your code in FEnICS is infringing upon. > > > > As far as I understand, it doesn't say anything about other patents > > that UCSD have that are unrelated to the actual code in FEniCS. > > > > If they refuse to sign the consent form, will they also refuse to let > > you continue to contribute code to FEniCS? And sue us all for the code > > you have contributed so far? > > > > > > In the US, code and patentable "Intellectual Property" is usually > considered property of the employer. So the contributor has no right > to give away the rights of a company's patents. If they sign this > form and Johan uploads something covered under another patent then it > affects their rights to patent royalties. So in effect they are > saying they reserve the right to sue FEniCS (but probably Simula) if > you encroach on their patents. > > In practice, most open source code from US universities is distributed > without regard to the law and for the most part everyone ignores it. > For example, TTI-C should be the copyright holder on much of the code > that you wrote in Chicago.
I haven't checked with TTI yet but expect it will be ok. We discussed licensing and GPL when I was there and got the message that everything was a-ok. -- Anders > -- Andy > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > Are there any others that have got a similare answer? > >> > > > >> > > No problems so far. Here's what we have so far: > >> > > http://www.fenicsproject.org/pub/copyright/authors/ > >> > > http://www.fenicsproject.org/pub/copyright/institutions/ > >> > > >> > I guess the Cambridge statement is not correct? > >> > > >> > Johan > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~fenics > >> > Post to : [email protected] > >> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~fenics > >> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~fenics > > Post to : [email protected] > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~fenics > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > > _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~fenics Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~fenics More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
