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Here we go again. I'm not going to bother with this. It is entirely too muddled and factually incorrect to even bother. This is typical of the conspiracy-centric left-wing. I'll just say one thing to you (again). Try to get it out of your head that Jews displaced anyone intentionally and there was no need for anyone to leave the new state of Israel and Jews always lived there and never left - only numbers dwindled because of pogroms and expulsions - and the founders of the new state were not there as "chosen" people. They were socialists. Being chosen is not why Israel exists. And being chosen has long been accepted as the concept of being chosen by antisemites to be scapegoats. That is all it means to secularists. And over 70% of us (all of us) are secularists. I really wish you would get it right. Neoconservatives; most of them anyway, are motivated by their love for America and what they do is in America's best interest. If you don't want Jews bothering you, we can all move to Israel - but short of that, get used to it. We care about ourselves and our families and compassion is something inherent in the human animal .. Why? I don't know except it is what separates us from other animals - by degree. However, I am not interested in doing anything to anyone or bothering anyone but I do want to insure that I have benefits of society which I think and believe should be rights .. I don't like unjust enrichment (an old legal term) and the rich have been unjustly enriched. Can we do something about that together? Hank On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Hank Roth wrote: > From: skywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > In many ways the Judeo-Christian (For want of a better word) community, > works like a lobby; works both ends against the middle. They do so because > in the U.S., they can. Therefore there are left wing Christians and Jews, > and right wing Christians and Jews. > > This "Community" has its own agenda: The Jews want to protect and preserve > Israel, as they see that "God" has ordained them to own the territory we > call "Israel," regardless of who else might own some of what they consider > theirs. The Christians want a religious monopoly. Both are linked > historically, though a lot of Christians want to see an end to Judaism > because Jews don't believe the same way Christians do. Nevertheless they > ally because of the history. > > History has shown us what happens when the Christians have absolute power. > They kill anyone who doesn't march to their tune as witnessed the "Burning > times" against Witches/Pagans, the subjugation and theft of culture of the > Pagan community, the enslaving of Africans and genocide against Indians. > > Both Christians and Jews, and obviously I don't mean all Christians and > Jews, consider themselves the "Chosen" ones and all others are here to do > their bidding. It's like a Christian telling me as a "Pagan" that I am > "Immoral" for having ritual, consensual sex as part of my religious practice > because it violates their precepts. I'm not here to live by their precepts. > I live by mine. > > In other words, both Jews and Christians need to learn to mind their own > business and leave the rest of us alone. > > Meanwhile, PNAC, which is predominantly Christian, is laughing at the way > those too stupid to think on their own fall in line. > > Skywolf. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hank Roth > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 11:03 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: fightback@inyourface.info > Subject: [pnews] Re: Neocon Conspiracies > > ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > Progressive News & Views (since 1982) > ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > > I do hope everyone reads the article - not just the POINTER. Yes, many > NEOCONS are Jewish. Many on the Left are also Jewish. Some NeoCons are > also former Leftists who were "mugged by reality" as suggested by Kristol, > but the NeoCon movement is hardly a Jewish conpiracy. Jews will also be > prominent in all political tendencies: LEFT, RIGHT and CENTER. It is a > cultural thing for Jews to be involved in political thought and action -- > and to be more socially tuned in. The Neocons are much more on the liberal > side of the conservative movement than other conservatives. And, Leo > Strauss is attributed with far more than he is actually responsible for or > taught - as a philosopher - vis-a-vis the neocon movement. Have you read > Strauss? Have you read Hegel? The left wing press is not the appropriate > source for this. The left wing press is today a knee-jerk, conspiracy > driven propaganda machine. Read Dissent Mag for a better analysis. New > Republic is also good today, which is socially liberal and politically > more conservative (though it didn't start out that way). > > Hank > > > > On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Reggie wrote: > >> ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| >> Progressive News & Views (since 1982) >> ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| >> Let's understand that the leading neocon organ....the Project for a New >> American Century is based on the philosophy of Leo Strauss. PNAC was >> founded by William Kristol - and its membership - while not all >> Jewish, by any means.... boasts the architects of the Bush Doctrine and >> the wars we are fighting now.. and were most probably the initiators of >> the 9/11 attacks. >> These signatories to the PNAC Mission Statement give people all the >> ammunition they need to view the neocon movement as one dominated by >> Jews. Include Richard Perle, Robert Kagan, Douglas Feith and a whole >> lot of others in this bunch of bastards.... >> >> *_Elliott Abrams_*_ _ * Gary Bauer * *William J. Bennett * *Jeb > Bush >> >> **Dick Cheney ** _ _*_*Eliot A. Cohen *_* **_Midge Decter_ ** _ >> _**_Paula Dobriansky_ ** **Steve Forbes >> >> *_*Aaron Friedberg*_* ** Francis Fukuyama** ** Frank Gaffney** >> ** Fred C. Ikle >> >> _ Donald Kagan_** ** Zalmay Khalilzad** **_ I. Lewis Libby_ ** >> **_Norman Podhoretz_ >> >> Dan Quayle** ** Peter W. Rodman ** *_*Stephen P. Rosen *_* >> **Henry S. Rowen >> >> Donald Rumsfeld** ** Vin Weber** _ _*_* George Weigel*_*_ _ *_* >> Paul Wolfowitz*_ >> >> Go figure...... >> Reg >> Hank Roth wrote: >> >>> ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| >>> Progressive News & Views (since 1982) >>> ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| >>> A very important article. I realize many of you already received this on >>> the dada list but I'm sending it here also. Don't miss it. >>> __ >>> >>> Neocon Conspiracies >>> >>> IF THERE IS an element of anti-Semitism at work in some of the attacks on >>> the neoconservatives--and there manifestly is--to call it such is not, >>> alas, enough. Even outright canards need to be rebutted, tedious and >>> demeaning though the exercise may be. So let us ask the question: is it >>> true that neoconservatives are mostly Jews, and are they indeed working > to >>> shape U.S. policy out of devotion to the interests of the "Likud party" > or >>> of Israel? >>> >>> Many neoconservatives are in fact Jews. Why this should be so is not >>> self-evident, although part of the answer is surely that Jews, whenever >>> and wherever they have been free to indulge it, exhibit a powerful >>> attraction to politics and particularly to the play of political > ideas--an >>> attraction that is evident all across the political spectrum but >>> especially on the Left. Indeed, the disproportionate presence of Jews in >>> early Communist movements in eastern and central Europe became grist for >>> the Nazis and other far-Right movements that portrayed Bolshevism as a >>> Jewish cause whose real purpose was (yes) to serve Jewish interests. In >>> reality, Trotsky and Zinoviev and the other Jewish Communists were no > more >>> concerned about the interests of the Jewish people than were Lenin and >>> Stalin which is to say, not at all. >>> >>> As it happens, the Jewish affinity with the Left may be one reason why >>> neoconservatism boasts so many Jewish adherents: it is a movement whose >>> own roots lie in the Left. But the same affinity is to be seen at work in >>> many of the insinuations against Jewish neocons by leftists who are >>> themselves Jews or who profess some Jewish connection. Michael Lind, for >>> one, has gone out of his way to assert his own Jewish "descent," and >>> Tikkun is in some self-professed sense a Jewish magazine. Even the BBC's >>> assault on the neocons featured a Jewish critic in the starring role. So >>> passionate are these Jews in their opposition to neoconservative ideas >>> that they have not hesitated to pander to anti-Semitism in the effort to >>> discredit them. What about their ulterior motives, one wonders? >>> >>> The >>> article is located here: http://pnews.org/ArT/FaC/NEOcons.shtml >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> / o o \ >>> ====OO=====OO========================= >>> Hank Roth's Place - http://pnews.org/ >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (on the InterNUT since 1982) >>> ============================================ >>> Fightback - notification news and views list >>> Subscribe/Unsub at: http://pnews.org/dada/ >>> ================================================ >>> Fightback - (pnews "progressive news and views") >>> OPEN discussion - subscribe or unsubscribe in >>> subject line: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> ================================================ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> / o o \ >> ====OO=====OO========================= >> Hank Roth's Place - http://pnews.org/ >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (on the InterNUT since 1982) >> ============================================ >> Fightback - notification news and views list >> Subscribe/Unsub at: http://pnews.org/dada/ >> ================================================ >> Fightback - (pnews "progressive news and views") >> OPEN discussion - subscribe or unsubscribe in >> subject line: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ================================================ >> > > > ----- > / o o \ > ====OO=====OO========================= > Hank Roth's Place - http://pnews.org/ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (on the InterNUT since 1982) > ============================================ > Fightback - notification news and views list > Subscribe/Unsub at: http://pnews.org/dada/ > ================================================ > Fightback - (pnews "progressive news and views") > OPEN discussion - subscribe or unsubscribe in > subject line: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ================================================ > > > > ----- > / o o \ > ====OO=====OO========================= > Hank Roth's Place - http://pnews.org/ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (on the InterNUT since 1982) > ============================================ > Fightback - notification news and views list > Subscribe/Unsub at: http://pnews.org/dada/ > ================================================ > Fightback - (pnews "progressive news and views") > OPEN discussion - subscribe or unsubscribe in > subject line: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ================================================ > ----- / o o \ ====OO=====OO========================= Hank Roth's Place - http://pnews.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (on the InterNUT since 1982) ============================================ Fightback - notification news and views list Subscribe/Unsub at: http://pnews.org/dada/ ================================================ Fightback - (pnews "progressive news and views") OPEN discussion - subscribe or unsubscribe in subject line: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ================================================
