On 28 May 2003 at 16:24, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:

> At 01:02 PM 5/28/03 -0800, Mark D. Lew wrote:
> >It was only with your post that this turned into a debate about publishers
> >trying to suppress non-standard notation, which as far as I can tell nobody
> >is defending.  I wonder if this whole discussion is a non-debate based on a
> >semantic misunderstanding.
> 
> This is where I jumped in:
> 
> James O'Briant: "The composer used the beaming pattern (either unorthodox
> patterns within measures or cross-barline beaming) to try to convey
> interpretation or accents or rhythmic patterns.  My opinion:  To convey
> accents, use accents."
> 
> That goes well beyond copy editing to re-writing content -- and, moreover,
> re-writing it incorrectly -- and it's the sort of behavior on the part of
> an editor/engraver/publisher that gets me aroused. Given the opportunity,
> musical editors (any editors, really) will generally push the blue pencil
> pretty far, and engravers will elevate themselves to editors. It's happened
> down through musical publishing history, and I think we can point to plenty
> of examples, from harmlessly absurd titles to significant re-writing.

I value beaming quite highly in historical manuscripts and printed 
editions, as I think beaming says something not about "accents or 
rhythmic patterns" but about *phrasing*, but phrasing at a level that 
one would not indicate with slurs. For example, one of the problems 
with slurs in string music is that, in general, they will be 
interpreted as bowings.

Breaking beam groups according to phrasing is something that happens 
a lot.

If I were editing a present-day composer, I'd include every 
idiosyncrasy of the original manuscript that I could, as long as it 
did not compromise readability. I would not use a non-standard 
notational device unless it were quite widely accepted within the 
group of musicians who were the target audience of the publication.

I think there is a lot that is subconscious in musical notation 
(e.g., the way Mozart's dots become strokes over a passage that 
logical should increase in volume; I don't mean necessarily that the 
notes should become shorter, as I don't think Mozart distinguished 
dot from stroke interms of sound, but it does seem as though Mozart's 
writing mirrors what the music is doing), and I think as much of that 
as possible should be preserved.

-- 
David W. Fenton                        http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
David Fenton Associates                http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

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