Re: [Finale] Vertical spacing

[Darcy James Argue]

On 19 Feb 2004, at 09:29 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote:

To add to that:

I would love to have the possibility of defining "staff groups" (like 
in
scroll view) that move up or down in a similar manner.  For instance, 
when
doing layout on a full band score, I often want to reposition just the 
saxes
(for instance) when making room, and not move every single staff below 
the
one I'm currently moving.
But that is easy to do already -- just drag around the saxes from the 
bottom up, making sure that on the top staff you enclose only the 
bottom handle.  Enclosing groups of 2-5 staves is not a big deal.  Even 
if my suggestion was implemented, this behavior could (and should) stay 
exactly as it is.

On the other hand, if for example you just want to move the 2nd flute 
staff down a little, you currently have to drag-enclose *all* of the 
staves in an orchestral score except the 1st flute staff.  This also 
means reducing the view % so that every staff fits on screen (unless 
you have a massive, portrait-oriented monitor like Robert), which makes 
fine-tuning difficult.

Doesn't it make more sense to, by default, automatically adjust all 
staves below the one you are dragging?

- Darcy

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On Thursday, February 19, 2004 5:52 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:

I don't think such a plugin exists.  I don't know if it's
even feasible.
But, short of what David describes, what I would *love* from
Finale (as
a realistic stop-gap measure) would be the ability to
*easily* move one
staff up or down and have all the staves below shift up or
down by the
same amount.  I know you can do this by drag-enclosing staff handles
from the bottom up, but this is an incredible pain to do
every time you
want to nudge a staff a little.  Consequently, I use TGTools
Staff List
Manager most of the time instead, but this is a bit of a kludge for
something that ought to be built in to Finale.  I don't know about
anyone else, I almost never want to move one staff up or down
and have
all the subsequent staves hold their positions.  It would be nice if
there were an on/off toggle for this -- maybe "Move all staves below
the selected staff" or something -- so that you didn't have to
drag-enclose from the bottom up every last time, or fire up the Staff
List Manager to make minor adjustments.
- Darcy

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On 19 Feb 2004, at 07:39 PM, David Froom wrote:

Hello all,

My apologies if you are reading this more than once.  My
email server
is
sending (or not sending) messages unpredictably. (This is
the last of
three
messages I've been trying to send out over the past week).
I was speaking with a friend who used to be a Score user.
He now uses
Sibelius (which looked rather good on his Windows machine,
especially
fast
at inserting measures, changing meters, rebarring).  Anyway, he was
bemoaning the loss of something he adored in Score.  He
said that in
Score
one could set the location of the top and bottom staff of a
system on a
page, and the internal staves would respace themselves evenly, but
would
also shift, making extra space, to avoid having elements
bump into each
other.

How I would kill for such a thing (which my former
Score-using friend
said
didn't exist in Sibelius either) -- saving all the time in
orchestral
works
"eyeballing" the staff shifting from page to optimized
page.  I used
to use
Jari's space systems, which saved some time -- but it is gone now
(FinMac2004).  I know about the TG tools thing which works
sort of like
Jari's:  you give an evpu number for the distance from the
top system
to the
bottom system, and it will spread the staves evenly (and you get to
choose
whether it compresses or expands or both).  But it doesn't
search for
conflicts and move things to avoid them.

Can someone write a plug in that would do intelligently
manage vertical
spacing within systems?  Or has this been done, and I just haven't
heard
about it -- or it is too difficult to do?
(By the way -- don't you guys love the way spell check suggests
interesting
words?  My spell check offers, for Sibelius, "libelous" -- what a
hoot!).
David Froom

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