Hi Darcy,

I suppose there are a number of Mac geeks and gurus (and "partial geeks" like me, does that make me a "gee" or an "eek?") who will follow this thread with interest. 22 db (from what distance?) seems as if it would be quiet enough to be more than tolerable.

Good advice I've gotten in the past was: Get the best monitor and printer you can afford, and a CPU that works. In other words, don't get too seduced by CPU speed and other features. It's the monitor you're seeing all day, and the printer gets a lot of use. That was good advice in my experience. I'm still using (with excellent service, fine print quality, and no inclination to look for another) the HP 5000N printer I bought from that salesman, and my recently purchased Samsung 24" LCD monitor (like the one pictured on Robert Patterson's web site) is terrific and will serve me well, until someone who needs it makes a not unreasonable offer, and I can afford to pop for that gorgeous 30" Apple one.

I await further news after you've had some hands on experience. It can be fun getting new tools. I hope it works out well.

Chuck


On Jan 12, 2005, at 5:02 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:

Hi Chuck,

For what it's worth, here are the reports from the field:

http://www.macintouch.com/mwsf2005notebook.html

a. It does have a fan. An Apple staffer at the booth told me it produces 22 dB, but she wasn't sure if that's when idle, in normal use, or what. Since the only units I've seen are out on the floor, I couldn't tell how it sounds. It draws air in from vents on the bottom, along three sides of the device, and blows out through vents on the back, above the ports.

I expect -- at least, I hope -- that the 22 dB is fan noise at peak use.

Also, RE: memory:

1. Apple "does not recommend" that users upgrade the memory themselves - you're supposed to have a service provider do it if you want to add more after purchase - but doing it yourself does not void the warranty unless you damage something. A booth person told me the memory slot is easily accessible once you get the case open.

That's good news, although since the case is not openable without special tools (which I'm guessing would probably cost at least $20), I'm leaning towards taking it down to the Apple Store and having them install my third-party memory. I've spent worse $50.

3. You can add AirPort Extreme for $79 and/or Bluetooth for $50 if you're ordering the Mini from the Apple Store, but if you want to add wireless later, your only choice will be a kit that includes both AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth for about $129 ($112 to dealers). This stuff also is not user-installable, supposedly because it involves adding antennas as well as cards.

Good thing I got those built-to-order already.

Cheers,

- Darcy
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On 12 Jan 2005, at 07:11 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:

I have no info on this specific question, but G5 tower fans are so quiet, under most conditions, that I am able to work undisturbed within about 18 inches of mine, and I was irritated by my G4. If the fans in the Mac mini are as well designed and engineered, it should be OK.

Awaiting a more complete report and wishing good luck to you, Darcy.

Chuck




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