John,

Would you point me in the direction of this "OrchestraList"?  I'd really
appreciate it!

Thank you,
Brennon Bortz


On 1/29/06 5:18 PM, "John Howell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 10:53 AM +0000 1/29/06, Owain Sutton wrote:
>> 
>> Some good points, perhaps, although I think you need a bit more
>> evidence before making such claims about Dufay or Josquin with such
>> certainty!
> 
> In DuFay's lifetime the popularity of one's music can be measured by
> the number of manuscripts containing that music, and his is in lots
> of them.  And Ottaviano Petrucci in Venice was one of the first
> printers of polyphonic music, a successful businessman, and therefore
> a shrewd judge of his own marketplace, and he chose to print and
> publish much of Josquin's sacred music.
> 
>> However, moulding one's music to fit the market expectation is *not*
>> necessary in order to make a living from composing, and there *are*
>> composers who do so with music that nobody would describe as
>> toned-down or sold-out.
> 
> Yes there are, and I  don't mean to deny it.  But that's a matter of
> creating a market that didn't exist before by presenting something
> appealing and putting it before those to whom it might appeal, and
> not necessarily meeting PAST market expectations.  That's two key
> factors:  music that is appealing (and music CAN be appealing without
> being watered down!), and making it known.  The first is the creative
> side of a composer's job description; the second is the business
> side, which composers are often clueless about.
> 
>> However, your general tone seems to look on the composer purely in a
>> utilitarian manner - particularly in the suggestion that wind band
>> music is the way forward.
> 
> OK, I consider composers to be highly skilled craftsmen and women,
> exactly as they considered themselves through the end of the 18th
> century.  If that is utilitarian, then so be it.  I do not consider
> composers "artistes" who are "inspired" and "must compose what they
> must compose."  That's romantic BS.  Or not.  But it isn't something
> I've ever felt, nor has my wife, who is the real composer in the
> family.
> 
> And as to the wind band as the movement of the future, it simply is.
> And I, personally, believe the traditional symphony orchestra to be
> the closest thing possible to a perfect ensemble to express virtually
> anything in music.  But the OrchestraList is full of weeping and
> gnashing of teeth by conductors searching for new audience members
> and composers seeking a first performance of their works, let alone a
> second, while the wind band world is wide open to creative and
> challenging works by living composers.  It lacks the flexibility and
> tonal possibilities of the orchestra, but it is where the greatest
> growth outside pop music is bound to take place in the 21st century.
> (You heard it here first!)
> 
> Please don't think that I'm advocating this, but I am aware of many
> different facets of the music world and I'm simply describing what I
> see.
> 
> John
> 

-- 
B. Christopher Bortz
Graduate Student, Music Composition
University of California, Riverside
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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