On 1 Apr 2006 at 6:19, Robert C L Watson wrote: > >> Nope. They came long before rap. And their origins are G&S patter > >> songs and Noel Coward. > > And they too are rap. > > Rap is not new. It is ancient. > > One of many online sources tells us: > "Rap's origins stretch far back to African oral tradition; it has a > more immediate predecessor in the spoken-word expressionism of 60s > activists like the Last Poets, or LeRoi Jones (later known as Amiri > Baraka), who performed activist poetry over the New York Art > Ensemble's free jazz. But it was in the early 70s, in New York's > inner-city neighborhoods in the Bronx and Brooklyn, that mcs began > rapping spoken rhymes about street life to the beat of dj-manipulated > drum machines and turntables. Break dancers and graffiti artists > provided a dramatic and colorful visual style to accompany the beats > and narratives, and a subculture was born. In 1979, rap had its first > hit single in Sugarhill Gang's "Rapper's Delight,"..." > > > And WS Gilbert and Noel Coward were influenced by that?
It is your imagination that is putting this assertion into the discussion. No one has ever claimed any such thing. The only claim is that patter songs and rap are essentially the same from a musical point of view, and I agree with that completely. -- David W. Fenton http://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
