On 28 May 2006 at 15:39, Aaron Sherber wrote:

> At 01:34 PM 5/28/2006, dhbailey wrote:
>  >Your third example is how it is done in all the engraved music I've
>  ever >seen.
> 
> Really? David, I think you're misunderstanding the intent. #3 looks
> like AABA with a missing repeat sign. That is play A through the first
> ending, repeat A, take second ending, then play B, then back to A.

But I interpret it as a da capo form with a 2nd ending to be played 
on the da capo only. That should have a double bar after the 1st 
ending, not a repeat.

To me, it's quite clearly a da capo form, and with the addition of 
the double bar, the third version would be completely in line with 
that convention as it is notated in literally thousands of Baroque 
and Classical arias.

> What Richard wanted was simply ABA, which is #2. Play A, play B,
> repeat A, and then take the one-measure second ending to finish the
> piece.

But if B is of any length whatsoever, that would mean that you have 
to do a page turn just to play the last measure, which is completely 
nonsensical. Likewise, I just don't see it making sense to put that 
one measure so far from the music it goes with.

> I think the better option (which I believe has already been 
> suggested) is to write out A with a coda sign before the last 
> measure, then write out B, then write the ending measure as a coda. . . .

I just think that's a completely nonsensical suggestion from a 
practical standpoint. Why have the single measure stuck at the end of 
the B section, when it's actually just a variation of the measure 
that ends the A section?

[]

>  > people have become accustomed
>  >to endings equalling repeats, so without even checking to see if
>  there >are 2 dots, they will automatically repeat.  Even after I've
>  explained >things to my community band on how such a roadmap works,
>  half the band >will repeat when they shouldn't.
> 
> Personally, I have never seen first and second endings used outside
> the context of repeats. . . .

Well, then, you don't get out much. It is ubiquitous in 18th-century 
sources.

[]

> I still think the best solution is as above, with a DC al coda, even
> if it's not the most convenient in terms of engraving. It's by far the
> least likely to be misunderstood.

I think that suggestion is complete hogwash, myself.

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David W. Fenton                    http://dfenton.com
David Fenton Associates       http://dfenton.com/DFA/

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