At 5:57 PM -0500 1/15/07, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 15 Jan 2007 at 17:22, John Howell wrote:

 At 7:45 PM +0100 1/15/07, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
 >
 >That is not to say there were no larger orchestral performances.
 >Handel's Messiah is a good example.

 Oh??  I doubt his orchestra was more than 20, and about the same for
 his chorus.  Mozart was the first to start expanding the size of the
 Messiah orchestra.  Handel's was string band, oboes, trumpet (or was
 it 2?), and probably bassoon in addition to basso continuo.

I don't have the references handy, but I'm pretty sure there was at
least one performance of Messiah in Handel's lifetime with Handel's
participation where the orchestra and chorus were both large in the
modern sense, i.e., 100+ players and 200+ singers. But I can't find
any citation for that (though I didn't look too hard).

Well, the work was premiered in Dublin by a church choir (which still exists and is extraordinarily proud of their ancestors' honor!!), but I suppose it's possible that the choral society approach may have been started while Handel was still alive. Amateur singers, of course. (Professional orchestras couldn't get along without 'em!)

John


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