Darcy- Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I saw in the pre-release hype from MakeMusic that the MIXER was to include EQ in the 2K7 upgrade! I even pre-ordered to get the new version ASAP as I was already on a roll in 2K6 with the Garritan stuff and loving it. That would enable you to do a rough/final or sectional submix right in Finale before saving as an audio file. Anyway, that didn't happen and was one of the first dissapointments with the new release. But, once you apply EQ to these samples, they come to life! Same is true of GPO. I hope Garritan will also add some more libraries, like the Folk/Rock/Country instruments library; imagine having fiddle, banjo, flat top acoustic guitar, wash-tub bass (??), Precision bass, deep snare (or just Steve Smith/Ginger Baker deep rock kit!), pedal steel guitar, dobro, concertina, accordion, jew's harp, mandolin, 12-string guitar (acoustic & electric), Telecaster/Stratocaster guitars, AND we need a Brush Drum Kit that allows you to switch one hand to stick in combo with 1 hand on brush to use a common style that is prevalent in country, jazz, and particularly Brasilian music. Or better yet, 1 (user customizable) drum kit that allows you to program the percussion library to load the staff with all available drum kit sounds. (you can do this with orchestral percussion in GPO!) It's a real pain in the ass to use 2 staves to create 1 (audio) part that will realize the sounds from 2 different kits (ie: brushes & sticks during the course of the same piece of music; think of many jazz tunes you hear where that happens, where it starts on brushes and builds to a killer ensemble section with sticks.) Yeah, baby! (to paraphrase Austin Powers/Buddy Rich) Damn-it would be a coup de grace for MakeMusic to give Garage Band a serious run for it's money in a state of the art notation package!!!!! And what a boon to us as composers/arrangers! Woo Hoo!!! And as far as upgrades are concerned, go check out David Pogue's talk at www.ted.com (June 26, 2006 http://www.ted.com/tedtalks/ ) where he praises one software company that did not offer 1 enhancement or new feature in their newest upgrade: all they did was got rid of ALL the bugs and make it run like a Swiss timepiece!!!!! WHAT A CONCEPT!!!!!! David was the person who gave me a demo of "Coda's new Finale" many years ago in NYC. He knew that software inside out and probably launched the first major run of purchases out of NYC that pulled them out of relative obscurity; this would have been sometime in 1983) He convinced me! I hope they gave him shares; he was a fantastic promoter of this software and really knew how to show it off.
Sorry to go on a rant. Thanks Darcy. I'm cc: ing Tom Hopkins and Gary Garritan with this email; and, what does IMO mean? Even tho I'm an old fart in the real world, I'm still a newbie in cyberspace. > Hey Vern, > > If you have any suggestions as to how better EQ could improve the out- of-the box sound of the electric bass (or any instrument) in JABB, perhaps you wouldn't mind corresponding directly with GPO programmer Tom Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. The JABB sounds were designed to be EQ-able, but -- as I've tried to impress upon Tom many times -- most Finale users aren't going to be exporting these tracks into a > separate app. (You are the exception, not the rule.) It's good that the JABB sounds are so flexible and customizable, but the Notation instruments, at least, need to sound good "out of the box." > > Originally, there wasn't going to be any EQ on the electric guitar at all, on the thinking that users would just apply their own EQ/ > effects. I managed to persuade Tom that this would not be acceptable to Finale users, and thankfully he agreed to include the "Electric Guitar Mellow" instrument (based roughly on Jim Hall's sound). > Unfortunately, this was not done for the electric basses and they suffer for it, IMO. If there was some way to get the JABB electric bass samples to sound more like, say, Kermit Driscoll (from within Finale), that would make me extremely happy. > > Red Mitchell talks extensively about making the switch to a bass tuned in fifths in an interview in Art Taylor's _Notes and Tones_. I love Red's playing -- he is very underrated, IMO. > > Cheers, > > - Darcy > ----- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Brooklyn, NY > > > > On 16 Feb 2007, at 3:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Darcy- >> Thanks, again. I used Kontakt Player 1.x in 2K7 in lieu of Kntk2. I already knew out of the box it wouldn't work, so I never tried. The documentation that ships with 2K7 states it will only load GPO/Finale Bundled instruments set. KntkPyr1.x is the one that crashed on >> loading in >> 2K7. >> Thanks for the tip about your tutorial-I will grab it pronto. I'm one user >> who is not averse to a healthy read of documentation before >> installing or >> using new versions, even thought I somewhat rushed into 2K7 without checking out ALL the feature changes first. >> As far as the Fender Jazz samples, if you export the tracks/staves from Finale (Save Special as sound files (wav)) into an audio >> application (like >> Apple Soundtrack, which I use for mixing) you'll be amazed to discover when you load a 10 or 31 band EQ to modify the track you just >> imported, >> ALL the frequency ranges are present in the sampled tracks, and you can get some phenominally varied sounds using the EQ (listen to the Rhodes on >> my tune Bossa Menna, and the Jaco bass on Pastoriale), and then do a final >> mix of everything a la 64 track digital studio. (Go listen to some of my >> Garritan mp3 creations at www.VernGraham.com, select the RADIO >> tab). That >> reminds me I've got to visit your site and see what there is to se & hear. >> As far as your knowledge of bass players, how do you come by these details? Fantastic info! I saw Ron in a small NYC piano bar (I >> think it >> was Bradley's) about 15 or so years ago when I was living there. He was playing a duo with a guitarist (who I didn't recognize; older >> fellow with >> a schock of white hair on an F-hole electric). They were standing (Ron)/sitting (guitarist) on the floor (no stage) not 2 feet in front of >> my tiny table for one. I was so busy watching Ron's facial >> expressions and >> his fingers, I didn't even notice the headstock on the instrument. He was >> dressed immaculately in a three piece suit (I've been told he is a clothes >> hound), and was very gracious and polite and I even got a smile out of him >> when I asked him if he still played cello. >> I had no idea about Red Mitchell. WOW, Now that's unique. >> As far as the current upright sounds in JABB, I use Chuck's samples since >> they have such a full, balanced, clean singing sound (the high end speaks >> nicely too when you tweak the EQ) versus the other instrument, >> which has >> more of the traditional THUMP sound. (I've played with the various adjustable parameters in the player to spec them both out.) >> Now I'm off to visit northern sounds forum. >> Thanks again Darcy. >> V. >>> Vern, >>> Finale 2007 still supports the Kontakt Player 1.x as well as Kontakt Player 2.x. Since you have a non-Intel Mac, Full GPO and JABB should work exactly the same as they do in Finale 2006. >>> You may be interested in consulting my Finale 2007 Garritan >>> Instruments tutorial, which you can find in your User Manual folder -- the file is called "GPOHP Tutorial Supplement.pdf". >>> As far as JABB electric basses go, I definitely agree that the library ought to include a 5- or 6-string electric going down to the low B. I would also like to hear a deeper, more consistent sound, with more sustain. You should go to the Garritan Northern Sounds forum and suggest it: >>> http://northernsounds.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=39 >>> For acoustic basses, Ron Carter uses the C extension on most (if not all) of his post 1960's recordings, and Red Mitchell played a bass tuned in fifths, starting on low C -- like a cello, but an octave lower. But since Chuck doesn't play an instrument with the extension, those low notes would have to be recorded on a different bass, and wouldn't match the original samples. >>> Cheers, >>> - Darcy >>> ----- >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Brooklyn, NY >>> On 16 Feb 2007, at 2:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>> Thanks Chuck, but MM tech support confirmed that the initial >>>> release of >>>> 2K7 Kontakt2 wouldn't load the Garritan FULL GPO library. I have downloaded 2K7b, but have not installed yet, so I will probably try 2K7c >>>> now that Kontakt2 is updated. >>>> By the way, I have been hearing and seeing comments about the Bill Duncan >>>> font. Can you direct me to where I could see it? Does it work well on the >>>> Mac & with Finale? >>>> aaaaand....do you think that we can convince Gary Garritan to include 6 >>>> string bass samples (not just Fender Jazz bass samples) in the next set of >>>> sounds so I can mimic Anthony Jackson for my fusion/jazz writing? I know >>>> Gary has the C extension for the Contrabass samples in GPO cause I wrote >>>> for it and it works!, but not in the JABB library. Only down to the usual >>>> E. (I can't think of any jazz upright players that used a C >>>> extension, do >>>> you know of any? Aside from Ron Carter in the symphonic idiom) >>>>> Vern, >>>>> I have a similar set up (pre-Intel Mac G5), and I have no trouble with >>>> the Garritan libraries. I am not an expert on this (though there are some on the list), so I have no advice short of contacting Garritan support. I am just responding to let you know that I don't think it is >>>> a shortcoming of your hardware, OS version or RAM. >>>>> Chuck >>>>> On Feb 16, 2007, at 7:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>>>> SO what DOES it do if you're on a MAC? (I am and I'm afraid!!!) I've >>>> been waiting for the Kontakt2 Player fix so I can load the complete >>>>>> Garritan libararies, not just the Finale bundled set. The last time I >>>> tried to use 2007 with Garritan it crashed 20 times in a row while loading >>>>>> the instruments, right at the last instant, where it said 99% complete!!!!!! And this happened with a 2K6 doc that worked fine the day >>>>>> before I installed 2K7. Running on a Mac pre Intel G5 2.0 Ghz Dual Core, >>>>>> 5.5 GB ram, OS 10.4.6 >>>>>>> shirling & neueweise wrote: >>>>>>>>> Finale 2007c is available >>>>>>>>> Hyphens are fixed apparently. >>>>>>>> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, that's all. >>>>>>>> nice. >>>>>>> Not if you're on a Mac -- it also adds the Kontakt2 player, if I >>>> understand the info on the site. >>>>>>> But if you're on Windows, that really does seem to be all, and for only >>>>>>> a 63MB download! (I know, it also includes the updates from 2007a and >>>>>>> 2007b, so that people only have to download one single file to get the >>>>>>> most recent version.) >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> David H. 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