Thanks for that valuable info. In your Tuba list, you didn't include Eb Treble Clef. Was that intentional?
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Jonathan Smith <lismoremu...@wanadoo.fr>wrote: > Hi Ryan, > > I direct a band here in France and play Euphonium in 2 others, so I have > first hand experience about the transposition of Tubas & Euphoniums. > > There are very few players who are taught to read in C (Ut), non > transposed, concert pitch, although most modern editions for both Euph and > Tuba include a part in concert pitch. > > Most Euphoniums (Barytons or Petit Basse) over here read in the Bass Clef > with the music transposed up a tone, still in Bass Clef. They write sib (the > b being a flat sign) on the top of the part. > > A fair percentage of players can read a treble clef b flat transposed part > similar to those produced in the USA or for the Brass Bands world wide (i.e. > transposed up a ninth in T.C.). This is because they learn via the solfège > system here and learn to sight sing and read notes by their names rather > than la-la or calling them C-D-E etc., in all clefs. So going from one clef > to another poses no problem, and if both treble and bass clef have the part > transposed into b flat the fingerings learnt for a ré, mi, fa or whatever > will be the same in both clefs - quite a clever and simple idea really when > you think about it! > > The Tubas (Contrabasses) usually read in Bass Clef transposed up a ninth, > in other words like the Euph transposition but an octave higher. This is > actually very sensible as it places the major part of the instruments range > into the staff rather than reading endless leger lines below the staff. > > There are some editions that include extra transposed parts for the E flat > Basses transposed in treble clef, exactly the same as the Baritone Sax > transposition and others that include an E flat Bass Clef transposed part > where the part is written a major sixth higher than concert pitch - this is > probably the one they use, especially as they have stated that they are > instruments pitched in E flat. > > The approach in France (and Benelux countries) is that if the instrument is > a "bass" type instrument it reads in the bass clef, no matter what > transposition is called for. > > The E flat horns are written up a major sixth in treble clef as per normal > band tenor horns. > > Every time I write or purchase a piece of music for my band I have to > provide 3 parts for the Euphoniums and Tubas just to cover all the > eventualities of the players we have on board or who might come along to > help out once in a while. It's a real pain, but you get used to it, and > eventually accept that we are all different and that's what makes life > interesting! > > My advice is to use the manage parts dialogues in Finale and set up: > > 3 parts for Euphs: > > Concert (Ut) > B Flat Bass Clef (Sib) > B Flat Treble Clef (Sib) > > 4 parts for Tubas: > > Concert (Ut) > B Flat Bass Clef (Sib) > B Flat Treble Clef (Sib) (this could double up as the Bass Clarinet part) > E Flat Bass Clef (Mib) > > If you set up staff styles with the respective transpositions into your > band template(s) it's a breeze. > > Hope this helps, > > Jonathan > > > > > When a writing for tuba, the part should be written at sounding (concert) >> pitch, correct? If the performer is using an Eb tuba, they don't need a >> transposed part, do they? >> Here's the situation, a group in France wants some of my band music. >> However, they use Eb horns and Eb tubas. No problem to transpose the horn >> parts for them, but I thought that Eb Tubists read concert pitch parts and >> just learn different fingerings for the notes. Any low notes that are out >> of >> range (Ab and below) are automatically played an octave higher. >> Perhaps in France the current practice is different? Would the >> transposition >> be similar to that of the Bari Sax? >> It's a community group and I don't think the volunteer person (the >> "librarian," I think) I'm dealing with is particularly musically inclined. >> Also, I'm sure that some things are getting lost in translation. >> Anyone have any idea what they're looking for? >> > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
