At 12:06 AM -0400 4/15/11, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 14 Apr 2011 at 20:52, mu...@rgsmithmusic.com wrote:

 Please consider just writng in out. Repeat pattens, especially
 complicated and nested types, are a holdover from the days when
 everything had to be copied out by hand. Copy and paste routines of
 modern notation software have pretty much eliminated the need for
 repeats. Your musicians will probably be grateful to play straight
 through rather than have to keep track of a complicated "road map".
 Sure they can do it and, if they're good, the performance will not be
 weak "at the seams". Why not just let them concentrate on making
 really good music rather than finding their way.

Whenever this subject comes up, I always chime in to point out that
repeats also serve an analytical purpose -- they tell the player
"this is not new music -- it's EXACTLY the same thing you played
before". When you write it out, you're hiding that fact.


I have to agree with BOTH viewpoints, because there is no single hard-and-fast rule that always works.

Writing out the repeats in standard-form marches would be just plain silly, although some of the modern editors of classic marches have done just that, primarily to earn a new copyright but also to print the parts on normal-sized paper instead of the Quickstep original size and in some cases to incorporate performance practice ideas that were not evident in the original publications. There was a good reason for that ultra-small Quickstep format for marching musicians, and the format dictated the use of repeats, DCs, DSs, and other "tricks of the trade," but any junior high school musician learned to read and play them.

But the moment they spread those parts out past 2 pages, they introduce new page turns, and we've played some that are NOT laid out with good page turns simply because the music never stops! And that is the tradeoff whenever one adopts the "never use repeats because the computer makes it easy to copy and paste" approach. You are trading more paper for more page turns, and that IS an important consideration. If your music fits on 2 pages, or on 3 with the 3rd taped on, fine. If it doesn't, you have to deal with page turns. And the warning (well considered!) not to require a page turn back for a DC or DS is just as important as the need to lay out good page turns in the first place.

The same thing applies to any standard musical form, including the minuet (from which the standard march form seems to have descended) and the French Rondeau form (once you understand the roadmap). And in the standard forms that do use repeated sections it IS handy to know where you are and when it's time for something new.

And it also gives the band leader the option of deciding whether or not to take the repeats, which in some late 18th and early 19th century music seem to have been inserted as a pro forma division rather than as a "must-do" repeat. (This is periodically argued on the OrchestraList, with some strong opinions expressed but with no real answer ever offered.) But it just stands to reason that if you're actually playing a dance piece for dancing, you might want to insert more repeats to turn a 2-minute minuet or waltz into a 6-minute dance piece. Handel's Water Music, on the other hand, has a lot of extra repeats in some of the movements, because he was no dummy and knew that he had to keep the music rolling while the barges drifted on the Thames, and those repeats aren't needed in a modern concert performance!

But even with all that said, there's a point of no return. Strauss waltzes and polkas are full of nested repeats (in the originals), and difficult to read if you aren't used to them. And the day I lost an hour in rehearsal after saving 10 minutes of copying I swore off using complex nested repeats from then on!

John


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