Hi Jef, I just meant circle-X for cross-stick (which is fairly common usage) to be able to distinguish between the (non cross-stick) hit on rim, which you also use.
By "circle with two slashes," I mean a circle bisected by two vertical lines -- as opposed to the single line you are using for a single-stick rimshot. Cheers, - DJA ----- WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 8 Mar 2012, at 9:47 PM, SN jef chippewa wrote: > > hey darcy, > >> I think for maximum clarity, I'd probably want to use a circle X for >> the cross-stick, and a circle with two slashes through it for the >> stick shot. That way, you can label (with text) the first instance, >> and leave all four techniques unlabeled thereafter. > > i agree with this in part... but: > > 1) why the circle x for the cross-stick? an x is already one level of > "new" information indicating divergence from the standard technique, > why would a second be needed here? > > 2) what do you mean by a circle with 2 slashes through it? > > ------------- > > first [and i won't be offended if you skip to the conclusion below if > you are bored by my exposition of empirical data to the end of a > critical reflection of notation "standards" in new music notation], i > should mention that am **strongly** against -- and violently > discourage -- the use of alternate noteheads in general. this comes > after years of seeing hundreds upon hundreds of scores and many many > divergences in the ways alternate noteheads are used, often in > completely contradictory manners. > > one of the most problematic noteheads i come across on a VERY regular > basis is the x-notehead. so many composers use it in so many > different ways that the symbol itself has become meaningless except > in a few firmly established uses and its use often brings about yet > another compromise in the consistency and transmissibility of > notation. > > not to mention that very often (and apparently not only in new music > milieux [weinberg 1994, 20]) instead of "doing their homework", > composers "invent" new noteheads (or other symbols) when there > sometimes already exists a standard and recognized way of doing > exactly what they think they have invented. > >> Rimshots -- In the works examined for these guidelines, five >> different note heads were defined as "rimshot" and 12 different note >> heads specified rimshot variations. These figures only represent the >> use of note heads to indicate rimshots. When articulations are used >> to indicate rimshots, 14 additional rimshots and rimshot variations >> are encountered. Obviously, drumset notation shouldn't require 31 >> different notational procedures for a single effect. ... It is >> recommended that all rimshots be written as a normal note head >> surrounded by a circle. This conforms to the standards set forth by >> both Stone and Gardner Read's Notation: A Manual of Modern Practice. >> >> Weinberg, Norman. "Guidelines for Drumset Notation." Percussive >> Notes 32/3 (June 1994), pp. 15-26. >> http://www.propercussion.org/filer/notation.pdf > > i have found the x-notehead the most useful -- and clear -- when > indicating a "non-standard" way of playing (e.g. key clicks, knocking > on the instrument body) and it should **never** be used to notate > "normal playing", such as can sometimes be found in new music, e.g. > to indicate a non-pitched percusison instrument on a 1-line staff. > > that said... > > ------------- > > CONCLUSION: A FIRST DRAFT... > > 1) rim shots should be notated as normal noteheads with: a circle > around the notehead (jazz); a symbol above the note as in my graphic > (new music). > > despite thinking it is an excellent symbol to indicate a rimshot (you > can imagine the notehead as the snare and the slash as the stick), i > have always refused to use the slashed notehead, it is just too easy > to miss in performance. (and recently i had intense experiences with > what can be <ahem> missed in a drum part. > > 2a-b) playing on the rim and cross-stick are indeed "non-standard" > snare techniques, in the sense that they are exceptions that appear > only periodically and therefore the x-notehead is perfect for both, > moreso because the x to indicate cross-stick is already a > well-established standard, it does indeed make sense to use x for > both. text could be used to indicate "on the rim", while cross-stick > would require no text unless it immediately follows on-the-rim > playing. (i don't have a solution if both were used > simultaneously...) > > the circled x is also used to indicate cymbal crashes, or sometimes > used to indicate half notes for x-noteheads, so it might be worth > trying to avoid it here. except that the cymbals are far from the > snare so maybe this isn't such a problem... > > would you propose that it would be clear to use x for playing on the > rim and circled x for cross-stick? > > 3): i would say (1) and (3) are different means to "somewhat similar" > ends and therefore should be notated fairly similarly -- the stick > shot is a "variant" of the more common rimshot, so the notation > should be very close to identical. but i'd like to know what the > 2-slashed circle is you mention... > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [email protected] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
