Yes, Chris. Thank you. this requires more fussing than I am willing to do. I think Finale should serve the needs of more modern notation practices better - more easily and clearly than it does. I rarely encounter this kind of need, but I can understand why others would need this - perhaps often.
I also tried to figure out how to use the text repeats you suggested (repeat tool repeats) instead of expressions. Of course there are playback advantages as well as the fact that they will show up at the end of a MM rest, but I am having the devil of a time trying to figure out the positioning. They don't seem to be set up in relation to right and left bar lines as expressions are - at least so it appears to me. Am I missing something? I may have to bite the bullet and enter duplicate expression repeats and hide/show according to need. That too seems kludgy to me - as does the widowed measures that show up when MM rests break to show the repeat expressions. I don't think FInal handles this well, and I'd sure like to see it improved in 2014 - or whenever they release a real upgrade. This is not bells and whistles to me - it's an everyday need. Thanks for all the help. Chuck On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:13 PM, Christopher Smith <christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote: > Hi Chuck, > > Did you get the file I sent called "Five edited.mus"? I put the barlines in > the alto 1 part only, and you can copy them to other staves. > > If you want to enter them yourself, (Oh yeah, the drums, too!) they are in > the Miscellaneous category, but I assigned it to the metatool B (for > Barline!) so you can enter them easily. I copied it from one of the default > files supplied with Fin2102, but I thickened it from 3.5 EVPUs to match your > existing barlines at 4.5 EVPUs. > > Christopher > > > On Sun Sep 16, at SundaySep 16 9:17 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: > >> Dear Christopher, >> >> Thanks - still missing bar lines though. Where do I find them as >> expressions so I can place them in the part? >> >> And, thanks for the suggestions about the text repeats. I will try to get >> them to look and work right. I never did get around to working out the >> routine of showing and hiding double entries of those expressions so that I >> could have sensible looking MM rests. >> >> Fond regards, >> >> Chuck >> >> >> On Sep 16, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Christopher Smith >> <christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote: >> >>> BTW, Chuck, I was looking through the score, and I notice you use >>> expressions instead of Repeat Tool expressions. I, too, used to do that, >>> because the Repeat Tool items were so unpredictable, but there is something >>> that might persuade you to come back to the Repeat Tool for DSes, To Coda >>> signs and the like. It's that they APPEAR on parts even when they are in >>> the last measure of a multimeasure rest! Regular expressions do not, and >>> you have to break the multimeasure rest as you have done, or else re-enter >>> them in the parts and hide them in the score. >>> >>> I don't know exactly when this happened, but I noticed it in 2012b. >>> >>> C >>> >>> On Sun Sep 16, at SundaySep 16 8:06 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Chuck, >>>> >>>> I just sent you an edited version. Because of the tuplets, the 1/4 >>>> solution won't be optimal. I used my solution instead. >>>> >>>> Hey, it's great that there ARE so many ways around this! >>>> >>>> Christopher >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun Sep 16, at SundaySep 16 6:43 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Darcy, >>>>> >>>>> I just sent you the score - to get a more specific opinion. But just so >>>>> you and Christopher know what I'm facing here, this is the bridge of Bill >>>>> Evans' "Five", in which not only are the measures divided as I describe, >>>>> but the melody is overlaid in groups of 4 quarters in the space of three >>>>> quarters (4:3 tuplets), starting on the second beat of the 4/4 measure. >>>>> (Of course, these are two rhythmically symmetrical phrases, so you only >>>>> have to solve it once). >>>>> >>>>> I played the bass part to this hundreds of times and never once thought >>>>> about how it might be notated. This score supports my contention that >>>>> there was extraordinary invention in Bill's rhythm - a largely ignored >>>>> element when people discuss his music. >>>>> >>>>> I'll send this to Christopher too. >>>>> >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 16, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Darcy James Argue <djar...@mac.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Chuck, >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris has given you the solution for what you want (system-long measures >>>>>> with barlines and time signatures added as expressions/articulations). >>>>>> >>>>>> Depending on the complexity of the part, and whether you need the drum >>>>>> part to appear in the score, there is also the option of creating the >>>>>> drum part as a completely separate Finale document. >>>>>> >>>>>> Another option -- and I'm sure you've considered this -- might be to >>>>>> notate the entire thing in 4/4, using accents to create the implied >>>>>> downbeats in the horns etc. (and perhaps even a dashed line showing the >>>>>> implied meters). This is a strategy that has worked well for my music in >>>>>> the past -- implying different meters superimposed onto the 4/4 grid, >>>>>> without changing the actual underlying time signature. >>>>>> >>>>>> This approach might not be suitable for what you've written, but it does >>>>>> have the advantage of being much easier to do in Finale than >>>>>> asymmetrical barlines, and also gives you consistent measure numbers in >>>>>> the drum part vs. the other parts. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> - DJA >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 16 Sep 2012, at 3:09 PM, Chuck Israels <cisra...@comcast.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a drum part with an independent time signature (that has been >>>>>>> selected in the attributes for this staff), but I don't know how to >>>>>>> rebar the music for the drum part. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All other parts have one measure of 4/4, 4 measures of 3/4, one measure >>>>>>> of 4/4 and 4 measures of 3/4 again. This adds up to 8 measures of 4/4 >>>>>>> for the drummer, and I want the drummer to see only that - not to be >>>>>>> distracted by what the other players are doing. When I change the time >>>>>>> signature on the drum part for the affected measures, the 3/4 measures >>>>>>> are changed to 4/4, but there are too many bar lines, and too many >>>>>>> beats. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What am I doing wrong? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chuck Israels >>>>>>> 8831 SE 12th Ave. >>>>>>> Portland, OR 97202-7097 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> land line: (503) 954-2107cell phone: (360) 201-3434 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <www.chuckisraels.com> >>>>>>> <www.chuckisraelsjazz.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Finale mailing list >>>>>>> Finale@shsu.edu >>>>>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Finale mailing list >>>>>> Finale@shsu.edu >>>>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Israels >>>>> 8831 SE 12th Ave. >>>>> Portland, OR 97202-7097 >>>>> >>>>> land line: (503) 954-2107cell phone: (360) 201-3434 >>>>> >>>>> <www.chuckisraels.com> >>>>> <www.chuckisraelsjazz.com> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Finale mailing list >>>>> Finale@shsu.edu >>>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Finale mailing list >>>> Finale@shsu.edu >>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> Chuck Israels >> 8831 SE 12th Ave. >> Portland, OR 97202-7097 >> >> land line: (503) 954-2107cell phone: (360) 201-3434 >> >> <www.chuckisraels.com> >> <www.chuckisraelsjazz.com> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland, OR 97202-7097 land line: (503) 954-2107cell phone: (360) 201-3434 <www.chuckisraels.com> <www.chuckisraelsjazz.com> _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
