I agree with J. D. Thomas here: one thing is dealing with the Viennese classical style where, after modulating a fifth above one "should know" that the original fourth degree has to be raised a semitone, another thing is dealing with other styles, where the insertion of patterns different from the original key or the use of chromatic structures or non tonal structures may not favor one note exclusively for another. As for going to school, I try to do that the most frequently as possible: studying is, for me, a lifetime activity and I personally feel grateful for having the opportunity to do so.
Giovanni PS Btw, even the Classical Viennese style can be full of insidious misleading notes that may need a cautionary before them! -------- Giovanni Andreani www.giovanniandreani.eu >I agree. My notation experience goes way back to well before computers >entered the scene and it was all done by hand. I was schooled in LA >where, as is the case pretty much everywhere, you never, ever have >enough rehearsal time. So the music should be notated explicitly where >absolutely no questions arise. That just wastes time. > >In overly complicated, non-key-signature pieces, courtesy accidentals >are completely warranted, especially in 2-handed parts like piano and harp. > >'Go back to school'??? Get over yourself!! > >J D Thomas >ThomaStudios > > > >On Nov 19, 2013, at 7:45 AM, Ryan Beard <ry.squa...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I wouldn't go that far. A courtesy accidental is very helpful on those >occasions when you really mean to have an F# and and F-nat at the same >time in an otherwise tonal piece. More of a "this is not a printing >error" thing. Granted, a non-courtesy would do just fine in that >instance, too. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 19, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Patrick Sheehan ><patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Courtesy accidentals (ANYWHERE) are for the weak. If you *need* them >in the >>> part, then that means you're not following the key signature. Back to >>> school! >>> >>> patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Christopher Smith [mailto:christopher.sm...@videotron.ca] >>> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 12:28 PM >>> To: finale@shsu.edu >>> Subject: Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014 >>> >>> If you will permit a somewhat differing opinion, I think there are places >>> where cautionaries are necessary, even when there isn't a key change, and I >>> have figured out after many years that NON-parenthesised ones actually are >>> easier to read. >>> >>> I know that parentheses make logical sense, that a parenthesised accidental >>> is kind of like saying, "I KNOW you know this, but here's a reminder" to >>> differentiate it from one that is absolutely necessary. But from a >distance, >>> parentheses around an accidental makes all three (sharp, flat, and natural) >>> into the same outline, so you have to read more closely to see which >>> accidental it actually is. Already, sharps and naturals are easy to confuse >>> with each other; the parentheses make it worse. I keep getting caught by >>> these on the gigs I do where the Finale user is less than professional. And >>> Sibelius seems to have this redundant accidental default that puts in >>> accidentals on the SECOND of two tied notes! >>> >>> Christopher >>> >>> >>>> On Sun Nov 10, at SundayNov 10 12:39 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> For those of us with imperfect eyesight, we cannot always see the >>>> accidental clearly. If I can see that there is an accidental, then I >>>> can make a quick judgment about whether it is most likely a flat, sharp, >>>> or natural and be right almost all the time. People who add unnecessary >>>> accidental markings without parenthesizing them should be shot, IMHO. >>>> And people who pencil in unnecessary accidentals BESIDE notes in the >>>> music should also be shot. If one needs a reminder about a note, write >>>> the accidental ABOVE the note, with a parenthesis and there will never >>>> be any confusion. IMHO, the only time an accidental should be penciled >>>> BESIDE a note is when correcting a misprint. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Finale mailing list >Finale@shsu.edu >http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
