Fair enough. How about full sized accidentals above? On Nov 30, 2014 12:08 AM, "Robert Patterson" <rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> For me, nothing tiny please. The notes have already gotten small enough as > it is, and they seem to be getting smaller by the month. I can think of > three situations that demand cautionaries. In all three cases, I think they > should appear as normal accis without parens. > > 1. If the first note of a bar is reverting to the key signature after being > altered in the previous bar (especially on the last note). The further into > the new bar you go, the less mandatory the courtesy acci becomes. > > 2. (As I mentioned in my previous post) if the passage is not in the key of > the key signature, all chromatic alterations should be shown relative to > the sounding key of the passage, even if they are in the key sig. (This > comes up a lot in standard rep, and I think the old 19th cent. engravers > were pretty good about doing it. I haven't made a project of verifying that > though.) > > 3. If there is a cross relation between voices (i.e., B-flat in one voice > and B-nat in another). > > > On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Raymond Horton <horton.raym...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > New wrinkle in this heated conversation: I prefer tiny cautionary > > accidentals above the note, does anyone else? Avoids the parentheses > > questions, but not as quick to apply in Finale. > > So I don't use them much. In the big project I just finished, which > was > > played by good high school strings with a few rehearsals and pros with > next > > to none, I freely used parenthesized cautionary accis - frequently. > > My cent and 1/2. > > On Nov 29, 2014 8:54 PM, "Robert Patterson" <rob...@robertgpatterson.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > My perspective is that if the key of the moment does not match the key > > > signature, any chromatic alterations within the key of the moment > should > > be > > > shown even if they are already in the key sig. Personally I don't think > > > parens are necessary but I suppose they don't hurt anything. For > example, > > > if the key sig is G-Major, but the piece has modulated to D-Major, if > > there > > > is a V7/IV chord (in D-Maj) that calls for C-nat, the C-nat should be > > > shown, irrespective of the fact that there is no C-sharp in the key > sig. > > > > > > I'm a horn player. For nearly all the standard rep music we don't see > key > > > signatures, so for music that has them I tend to pencil in nearly every > > > accidental anyway. But I really believe relying on a key signature to > > show > > > chromatic alterations for a passage not in the key of the key signature > > is > > > where you are mostly likely to trip up a sight-reader. > > > > > > (FWIW: Instead of using key sigs we horn players play in keys. I've > > played > > > Auf Dem Strom in the original E, in D, and I've seen a version in C. > But > > I > > > just play the same part, written in C Major, in whichever key the > singer > > > wants.) > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Chuck Israels <cisra...@comcast.net> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > They are called courtesy accidentals. > > > > > > > > Perhaps a little courtesy in speaking about your point of view and > > > > experience vs that of others would be welcome. > > > > > > > > My experience with tonal but often modulating music played by highly > > > > educated and able musicians differs from yours. That doesn't lead me > to > > > > denigrate your perspective nor to invite expletives in discussing > which > > > > practices might work better in different circumstances. > > > > > > > > I will speak for myself: when I am playing in Db and there are > passages > > > > with D naturals, I appreciate a courtesy accidental when the tonality > > of > > > > the moment later demands a Db, and I don't care if it lacks > > parentheses. > > > So > > > > do many musicians with whom I work. That practice can help prevent > > > > mistakes when it is used consistently. > > > > > > > > There may be a number of considerations that argue for or against > this > > > > practice. What seems clear to me is that it is working well under the > > > > conditions I live in. > > > > > > > > That's all I'll say about it at the moment. > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Nov 29, 2014, at 11:35 PM, Craig Parmerlee <cr...@parmerlee.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Finale mailing list > > > > Finale@shsu.edu > > > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Finale mailing list > > > Finale@shsu.edu > > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
