-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 9/11/09 2:13 PM, William G. Scott wrote:
> I think this is a Good Thing, assuming all fink packages work with the > SL X11. We should just assume it is there, and not > concern ourselves at all with what gets installed in /opt, or support > it. What the end-user does is out of our control, but > in principle there is no reason we would have to worry about this one > way or the other, as long as we can rely on the > current contents of /etc/X11 being in place. I agree. While the growing pains in X11 have been, well, painful, in the end, I think X11 in OSX has reached a stability where it's reasonable to expect it will work like this From This Point On(TM). We'll have to adjust once more to the new situation on the ground, but hopefully this'll be the last of major upheavals. (Famous last words.) > 2. "Stable" vs. "Unstable" > > I tell people to translate the word "unstable" as "current" when they > express shyness about using it. With the SL upgrade, we have, at > least initially, an inversion, where packages in Unstable may work > when packages in Stable do not, or are obsolete, etc. > > I wonder if it might be worth changing this demarcation to "Core" and > "Peripheral" or some such designation, the main point being to have > the talents and energy of the "core" fink team focused on the most > important packages, and to keep people with limited abilities, like > me, out. I don't think there's a problem with everyone who's a committer having access to stable, I think it's more that we need a couple of folks to sit down, spend a month or two completely ignoring updates, and work on finally putting together the infrastructure we've said we didn't have time to work on and just make it happen. Once we have automated builds of any kind, we can start promoting packages from unstable -> stable automatically or semi-automatically, because we'll really know how info files and the state of binaries map, and we can solicit and receive feedback on packages from end-users more easily. I intend to work on this as soon as I can, although right now is a bad time for me because of huge amounts of work commitments. I hope to make the time anyways. :) > I had the good fortune to have a former Apple VP (who was responsible > for much of Xcode) as a graduate student in a class last spring. I > asked him what it was like, and he described his erstwhile job as > helping highly creative autistic people to have productive careers. I > know it is a bit of a stereotype, but computer people often aren't > qualified to be Japanese diplomats, and it is also very hard for even > the most socially adept individuals to infer intent from a pile of > ascii text characters. We all need to give each other the benefit of > the doubt when interpreting each other's words and actions. We all > want the same thing, after all: a viable, fully-functional and up-to- > date fink. Agreed. I've said what I needed to at this point, it can be accepted or not. I've avoided commenting any more on the drama that continues to unfold, as hard as it's been to resist. ;) I slipped a little by being snarky in a commit, and I regret that. Otherwise, I'm just staying out of it from here on out. - -- Benjamin Reed a.k.a. Ranger Rick Fink, KDE, and Mac OS X development Blog: http://www.raccoonfink.com/ Music: http://music.raccoonfink.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.12 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFKqplkUu+jZtP2Zf4RAsxQAJ0bA365U9pu+VNkpu0N8cTxZ0U94gCggrvg Rl8nxrw36Q7wpf2zFe/BP8Q= =DCWu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.apple.fink.devel Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
