>On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, at 12:30 AM, Neal A. Crocker wrote:
>
>>Thanks for replying. Near as I could tell, he suspected that the
>>authenitication problem was the result of there being "too many"
>>users.
>
>How many users do you have?
>localhost:~$ niutil -list . /users | wc -l
> 7
>localhost:~$
>
>Unless you have some strangely high number of users, this can't be
>the problem. If Darwin is Unix, well Unix is built to accommodate
>large numbers. And I'm sure that Darwin is too, b/c OS X Server is
>intended to be run in classroom/lab settings with >30 users.
That struck me as well, but I don't have alot of knowledge to go on,
so I wasn't prepared to argue with him. On the other hand, I still
haven't resorted to uninstalling fink and reinstalling my system.
localhost:~] ncrocker% niutil -list . /users
11 nobody
12 root
13 daemon
14 unknown
15 www
1227 ncrocker
1231 news
1232 mysql
1233 pgsql
1234 games
1235 canna
1236 postfix
[localhost:~] ncrocker% niutil -list . /users | wc -l
12
>> Also, he was somewhat suspicious about whether the fink package
>>that installed those users handled it correctly. He was absolutely
>>sure that the handling of users by Apple software would be done in
>>the correct Unix fashion (which I don't know anything about, so I
>>can't evaluate that validity of his belief), so any problems
>>associated with users and authentication is the probably the result
>>of third party software (i.e. the fink package that installed the
>>extra users).
>
>Well, ask him if he's absolutely sure that the deleting of users by
>Apple software would be done in the correct Unix fashion ! :) [big,
>AFAIK unfixed, bug with deleting users from
>"SystemPreferences->Users"]
>
>From what I understand, there is no "correct Unix fashion" for
>handling users in Darwin. Since Darwin uses NetInfo rather than the
>traditional (POSIX?) /etc/passwd, the only other systems to compare
>it to are NeXT boxes. Fink's "passwd" package, which manages the
>extra users for certain Fink packages, was written by a house elf
>who has been an active contributor to Darwin source code.
>(http://www.btinternet.com/~finlay.dobbie/thinkstupid.html) You
>could ask his opinion on the "users" situation. Perhaps you could
>eliminate this as a source of your problem; I would be willing to
>bet money that Dobbie followed the APIs.
This is one of the many things about user managment in OS X that I
did not know (and, I think, the Apple guy didn't know). I'm pretty
much convinced by now that the users installed by passwd aren't the
problem. In another post, I mentioned that a few people on Apple's
Discussion Forums had mentioned having the same problem as me:
authentication problems using appletalk with valid user/password
combos. I haven't asked, but what are the odds that these people are
all fink users. That suggests that there are other causes for the
problem.
Thanks,
Neal
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