The Telegraph numbers are for "crime" and "contact/violent crime." While one can arrive at different numbers by studying "homicides," it seems unfair to criticize the original report on the basis of having changed the question.
At 11:40 AM -0800 10/29/03, Mark Kleiman wrote: > The UK has a population of about 60 million and, according to the >Telegraph story you quote, 1070 homicides per year. > > The US has a population of about 290 million and 15900 homicides (2001 >figure from the UCR). > > That gives the US a homicide rate 3.3 times as high as the UK rate. > > The UK rate is somewhat distorted by the ongoing civil war in Northern >Ireland, which has a homicide rate about three times that of the rest of >the UK. > > If this is to be a forum for scholarly discussion, then it seems to me >that it ought to be incumbent on posters to state all of the obviously >relevant facts, including those that are not supportive of the points they >wish to make. > > > > At 10:31 AM 10/29/2003, you wrote: > >> Gun control works??? >> >> "... the "victimisation risk" - showing the risk of suffering a crime - >>in England and Wales is higher for overall crime than anywhere else in >>Europe, and higher than in America. The same is true of falling victim to >>"contact" - violent - crime." >> >> >><http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F10%2F25%2Fncrim25.xml&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=50048>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F10%2F25%2Fncrim25.xml&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=50048 >> >> >> *********************************************************************** >> Professor Joseph Olson Hamline University School of Law >> tel. (651) 523-2142 St. Paul, Minnesota 55104-1284 >> fax. (651) 523-2236 >><<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://alum.mit.edu/www/tavares | RKBA! Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. --JOHN ADAMS (1814)
