Also, you keep telling me how want I want to do is still *possible.* I know it's still possible (albeit with some seriously irritating pitfalls like being able to accidentally undo what I want to be permanent preferences). What I'm trying to tell you is that the design is *bad.*
You *can* send e-mails and schedule meetings with Lotus Notes. It's still a horrendous UI. - Luke On Jul 13, 10:46 pm, johnjbarton <[email protected]> wrote: > On Jul 13, 8:58 pm, Luke Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 13, 5:19 pm, johnjbarton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Jul 13, 4:40 pm, Luke Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I think you misunderstand. He needs it *active* for all the pages he's > > > > working with. But he hates having it *open* all the time. AFAIK, 1.4 > > > > has no facility to have Firebug always *active* but *minimized* for > > > > all your pages. > > > > Weren't you the one who was just saying you wanted Firebug off for > > > Gmail? You can not have "always active" and "off for Gmail". So I'll > > > assume you meant: > > > I wasn't describing what *I* want but what IAmThatStrange wants. But > > nonetheless, here's what I want: > > > * I want Firebug active for my site. > > Ok open Fireubg for your site. > > > * I want Firebug inactive for all other sites. > > Ok don't open Firebug on any other site. > > > * I want Firebug *visible* when it's visible and hidden when it's > > hidden. I'll bring it up when I want it and make it go away when I'm > > done with it. The console is just a damn window. > > Ok toggle minimize with the statusbar icon; > > > > > Now, despite your protestations, I *cannot* specify that I want > > Firebug active for my site. I can click the little bug to activate > > Firebug, and Firebug by a magical, invisible mechanism *beyond my > > control* will assume that I now want Firebug on for that site forever. > > The mechanism is visible and under your control. > ON: Firebug status bar icon. > OFF: [(|)] Off icon in upper right corner. > This is deliberately asymetric to avoid accidental close. > > > *IF* that's what I wanted, great, but any interface that quietly > > interprets minor actions as permanent decisions is going to be a pain > > in the ass. That misbehavior is compounded when you've redefined what > > the button on the far right of the title bar should do; now not only > > have you given a button surprising behavior, but - without telling the > > user! - you have made a permanent change to the user's preferences. > > I'm sorry we redefined the upper right corner button. > > > It's irritating enough to realize that you turned off debugging when > > you just meant to close the console; it's infuriating when it turns > > out that Firebug decided that you *also* wanted to turn off debugging > > for the entire site permanently. > > It is not permanent; you can turn it back on at any time. > > > > > And yes, if that happens, I can change it back. But why should I have > > to babysit Firebug? I've got shit to do, and the more my tools can get > > out of my way and just do what I thought I told them to, the better. > > In 1.3, I could just tell it what I wanted - on for this site, off for > > others, and that was that. Permanently. Whatever I did to close the > > console or open the console *or even suspend Firebug temporarily,* it > > just freaking did what I'd told it to. > > I am confident that you will quickly learn to avoid hitting "off". Yes > its too bad we redefined that button. But the world is not going to > end really. > > The Firebug status bar icon is larger and since it is a toggle you can > quickly move between minimize/unminize. > The key binding F12 also minimize/unminize, very convienent. > > > > > Plus, 1.3 didn't try to be clever about when to be visible or not. I > > don't want it popping up unbidden, ever. Do you really want Firebug to > > join the UI Hall of Shame with that MS Office paperclip? I mean, you > > could close that too when it popped up. That doesn't mean it didn't > > piss people off royally. > > I will be happy to agree with you: 1.3 was not too clever. > > jjb --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Firebug" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/firebug?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
