well, legal points aren't that stupid. The steps needed to stop hackers/crackers
consists also of having discussions.
And wrong, it is not possible to stop all attacks, we can just try to make it as hard
as possible for an attacker to get into the
system. (well, you could stop all attacks by unplugging all computers ;-) )
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: peter pajak [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 10:01 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Response to hack attempt?
why don't you try this for a change.
if you are so called experts on security you should not have any problems
with hackers. meantime "experts" are crying and discussing stupid legal
points of hacking/cracking instead of undertaking the steps needed to stop
the hackers/crackers. people! it is possible to stop all attacks.
sorry for being harsh but i can't stand that pointless discussion any more.
regards,
peter
>From: Joel Gridley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Bryan Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Response to hack attempt?
>Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 05:43:07 -0400 (EDT)
>
>On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Bryan Andersen wrote:
>
> > Derek Martin wrote:
> >
> > > I once thought that you shouldn't need to care but everyone's trying
>to
> > > make ISPs responsible for the actions of their users, which I
>personally
> > > hate. The only person who should be held responsible for a person's
> > > actions is the person acting. But in our modern society that isn't
> > > enough, we need to have lots of people to blame.
> >
> > And extract money from...
> >
> > They try to attach blame onto the ISP so when time comes to sue
> > for dammages, they have more and likely deeper pockets to extract
> > money from.
> >
>
>In my experience, dealing with the ISP is the only effective way to get
>results. ISP's do not want to be blocked, nor sued, and are usually more
>than willing to work with the entity contacting them.
>
>Specific hosts on the other hand, I have found to be trouble. Some have
>the viewpoint that since they were not personally the ones conducting the
>scans that they are not at fault. Or, since they are not experiencing any
>troubles, like latency, connectivity issues, and have no sensitive
>material on the machine, it is usually a project convincing them to do
>something about it, and that's assuming they know how to do something
>about it.
>
>It's not always monetary motivation. You should start at the machine, but
>then work your way up, to the ISP if you don't get a satisfactory
>response.
>
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