> > Can someone plase tell me why poeple like the Microsoft ISA Server?
>
> I don't think they generally do, I'm not aware of it gaing any significant
> market share, and I've rarely seen anyone using one.

I would agree that it doesn't hold the market share of some of the other,
better known products, but I wouldn't say that it isn't gaining
significantly. FWIW, I have no preference for ISA.
>
> > Without a proper firewall protecting the ISA Server its just going to be
the
> > single point of failure.
>
> The current incantation (ISA Server 2000) has passed ICSA Labs
> certification[1] as an actual firewall, and it does work.  The last two
> attempts in the product line certainly EARNED such scorn- the current
> implementation should probably be evaluated for function seperately- it's
> the third product in the line AFAIR.

This is incorrect. ISA is *not* MS Proxy, just as Exchange is not MS Mail.
Given your insistence on "traditional" terminology, I find it hard to
believe that you're "accidentally" comparing a proxy to a hybrid firewall
and calling them the same thing. And I believe the word you were looking for
was "incarnation", not "incantation", unless you're working a few rituals
into your posts (1). ISA *is* a firewall.

Rather than tossing around more uninformed opinion, perhaps people should
simply do a little research and look at exactly what the product is and what
it does or doesn't do.

http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/techinfo/productdoc/default.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/evaluation/ISAGiga.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/evaluation/competitive/TMFcacheoff.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/evaluation/competitive/exodus.asp

Laura

(1)
Main Entry: in�can�ta�tion
Pronunciation: "in-"kan-'tA-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English incantacioun, from Middle French incantation, from
Late Latin incantation-, incantatio, from Latin incantare to enchant -- more
at ENCHANT
Date: 14th century
: a use of spells or verbal charms spoken or sung as a part of a ritual of
magic; also : a written or recited formula of words designed to produce a
particular effect
- in�can�ta�tion�al  /-shn&l, -sh&-n&l/ adjective
- in�can�ta�to�ry  /in-'kan-t&-"tOr-E, -"tor-/ adjective

Main Entry: in�car�na�tion
Pronunciation: "in-(")k�r-'nA-sh&n
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 a (1) : the embodiment of a deity or spirit in some earthly form (2)
capitalized : the union of divinity with humanity in Jesus Christ b : a
concrete or actual form of a quality or concept; especially : a person
showing a trait or typical character to a marked degree <she is the
incarnation of goodness>
2 : the act of incarnating : the state of being incarnate
3 : a particular physical form or state : VERSION <in another incarnation he
might be a first vice-president -- Walter Teller> <TV and movie incarnations
of the story>

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