Folks, Joseph wrote:
>my and Kevin K.'s basic question of whether /new evidence exists of any >interaction between the world modeled by fluctuons and the thermodynamic world/ has in my opinion not been answered. Evidence is very old. In a nutshell, mechanics is about the equality of quantities of the same quality, e.g., three laws of motion in Newtonian mechanics. The quality of motion remains invariable in mechanics. In contrast, thermodynamics is about the equality of quantities of the different qualities, as revealed in the first law of thermodynamics presiding over the conservation of energy while allowing for the transformation of its quality. What is unique to thermodynamics is the participation of an internal agency being capable of identifying and processing the difference of qualities. The apparatus James Prescott Joule reported in 1843 demonstrated that the gravitational potential energy lost by the weight attached to a string causing a paddle immersed in water to rotate was equal to the heat energy gained by the water by friction with the paddle. It was not the physicist (or former brewer) Joule himself, but was the internal agency of material origin that was responsible for keeping the relationship between heat, the current, which generates it, and the conductor through which it passes. Somewhere right in the middle of the energy transformation changing its quality from the potential to the heat energy, some ambivalent situation would inevitably arise such that a residual amount of energy is not clear whether it may belong to the potential or to the heat energy, or to neither. Nonetheless, the conservation of energy must be observed in the finished record. Thermodynamics leaves conservation laws as being consequential upon the more fundamental motion of material origin, though such a feat is totally inconceivable in mechanics. It was regrettable to see that the subsequent takeover of thermodynamics by atomic physics which duly and triumphantly dismissed any chances for an agency of material origin other than the physicists themselves. However, a mere dismissal by a decree is not all that powerful. A touchstone is to see any likelihood of the motion of material origin for the sake of the conservation of energy, rather than on the conservation already guaranteed. The Fluctuon model of Michael Conrad is one attempt for appreciating the motion for the sake of meeting the conservation laws from within like thermodynamics does. Best, Koichiro _______________________________________________ fis mailing list fis@listas.unizar.es https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
