Caro Rafael,
grazie per la precisazione che mi riporta ad uno scritto ("Economia della
felicità o dell'infelicità. Analisi critica della teoria delle
valutazioni", seconda edizione, Aracne editrice, Roma 2011) del 1977 in cui
per la prima volta affronto il problema entropico o meno degli equilibri o
dei dis-equilibri economici. Comunque, ripeto ancora che io non parlo di
trans-in-form-azione, bensì di tras-in-form-azione.
Ricambio i saluti augurali di cui ad una certa età abbiamo bisogno per
ritornare continuamente al nostro futuro, dato che è sempre bello
continuare a fare un'esperienza di condivisione empatica.
Francesco.2014-06-08 16:05 GMT+02:00 Rafael Capurro <raf...@capurro.de>: > Caro Francesco, > your trans-in-form-azione echoes my paths of thinking > http://www.triple-c.at/index.php/tripleC/article/view/113/116 > that started in 1976 http://www.capurro.de/info.html when > 'in-form-azione' was a very alien word for philosophers > auguri > Rafael > > Caro Joseph, > desidero precisare che la parola composta che io uso è > tras-in-form-azione, non trans-informazione. Questo per evitare almeno un > equivoco. > Buona domenica. > Francesco. > > > 2014-06-07 12:05 GMT+02:00 Francesco Rizzo <13francesco.ri...@gmail.com>: > >> Caro Joseph, >> vedo che il mio ultimo messaggio è stato un poco raffazzonato. In ogni >> caso non penso che sia possibile soddisfare la Tua legittima curiosità >> mediante brevi scritti. Ed è per questo che inizialmente mi sono permesso >> di suggerire la lettura di tre libri. Naturalmente, mi farò risentire anche >> per motivare, se serve, il perché "entropia" significa dis-informazione e >> "neg-entropia" informazione. Interessante è a questo proposito la lettura >> di "Che cos'è la vita?" di Erwin Schrodinger (con due puntini sopra la o). >> Grazie soprattutto per la Tua verve critica che apprezzo molto. >> Saluti. >> Francesco. >> >> >> 2014-06-07 8:53 GMT+02:00 Joseph Brenner <joe.bren...@bluewin.ch>: >> >> Dear Francesco and All, >>> >>> Here is a rough version of Francesco's comment. I think it deserves >>> further critical comments, for example, on the way it relates information >>> and cultural value and the co-generation of entropy and negentropy, usually >>> implicit but not spelled out. >>> >>> Thanks for your words. In the early eighties I introduced the concept of >>> information-process (the action of giving or taking form in time). In "The >>> Economics of Cultural Heritage" (1983), which became "Economics of an >>> “architectural-environmental heritage," in 1989 (Franco Angeli, Milan ), in >>> which, inter alia, I define a negentropic cultural value. I also applied to >>> the city, during a course on urban and regional economics at the Faculty of >>> Architecture of Palermo, in 1984-85, the compound word trans-form-in-action >>> (action of giving or taking form over time that can /not/ not trans-form) >>> to the city, But what matters most is to have conceived the activity of >>> economic production (in general) as a process of trans-information whose >>> "input" (matter, energy and information) and "output" (matter, energy and >>> information) are both negentropy and entropy. So my theory of value (which >>> applies not only to the economy in the strict sense) can be defined in >>> simple-combination of creative energy and information and, in a more >>> complex triangle of the three surpluses of negentropy: thermodynamic or >>> natural, eco-biological and cultural-historical. So, the marginal utility >>> theory of value of neoclassical economists is outdated and (should be) >>> thrown to the winds. In fact, the "new economy" is a psycho-physical, >>> semiotic-hermeneutic and biological technology sub-episteme. In summary, I >>> really think a new science of economics or economics of science has been >>> invented. For Pedro’s re-discussion of information encouraged me to send >>> the above message (without wishing to take any undue credit for myself). >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Joseph >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Francesco Rizzo <13francesco.ri...@gmail.com> >>> *To:* Joseph Brenner <joe.bren...@bluewin.ch> >>> *Cc:* Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> ; >>> fis@listas.unizar.es >>> *Sent:* Friday, June 06, 2014 12:37 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Information Science and the City. >>> Trans-in-form-action >>> >>> Caro Joseph, >>> grazie per le Tue parole. All'inizio degli anni Ottanta ho introdotto il >>> concetto-processo di informazione (azione del dare o prendere forma nel >>> tempo) In "Economia dei beni culturali"(1983), divenuto "Economia del >>> patrimonio architettonico-ambientale" nel 1989 (FrancoAngeli, Milano), in >>> cui fra l'altro definisco i beni culturali neg-entropici. Inoltre ho >>> impiegato la parola composta tras-in-form-azione (azione del dare o >>> prendere forma nel tempo che non può non tras-formarsi) alla città durante >>> lo svolgimento del corso di economia urbana e regionale nella Facoltà di >>> Architettura di Palermo, nell'A.a. 1984-85. Ma quel che conta di più è >>> l'avere concepito l'attività di produzione economica (in senso generale) >>> come un processo di tras-informazione i cui "input" (materia, energia e >>> informazione) e "output" (materia, energia e informazione) sono >>> neg-entropia ed entropia. Quindi la mia teoria del valore (che non vale >>> solo per l'economia in senso stretto) può definirsi- in modo semplice- >>> combinazione creativa di energia e informazione e, in modo più complesso, >>> triangolo dei tre surplus o neg-entropie: termodinamici o naturali, >>> eco-biologici e storico-culturali. Sicché la teoria del valore-utilità >>> marginale degli economisti neoclassici è sorpassata e da buttare alle >>> ortiche. Difatti la "Nuova economia" è in-centrata sull'episteme >>> psico-fisica,semiotico-ermeneutica e biologico-tecnologica. Insomma, penso >>> davvero di avere inventato una nuova scienza dell'economia o economia >>> della scienza. Per questo appena Pedro ha ri-parlato di informazione sono >>> stato stimolato a mandare il messaggio precedente. >>> Ribadisco, però, che non intendo menare alcun vanto. >>> Cordiali saluti. >>> Francesco Rizzo. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2014-06-06 9:49 GMT+02:00 Joseph Brenner <joe.bren...@bluewin.ch>: >>> >>>> Dear Francesco, >>>> >>>> Thank you for a most interesting overview of your work. What I would be >>>> most interested in would be a summary of the real processes underlying >>>> "trans-in-form-action" and its relation to information - and >>>> "trans-information". The use of the prefix 'trans-' in transdisciplinarity >>>> is intended (by Nicolescu) to refer to something that lies within, between >>>> and beyond specific disciplines. Another non-trivial use of 'trans-' was >>>> made by Pedro. >>>> >>>> (Some 14 years ago, I defined 'trans-creation' as the creation of >>>> artistic documents or objects with some social relevance, that is, to the >>>> common good. It is important to understand, in this connection, how >>>> information carries such relevance.) >>>> >>>> If you prefer to answer in Italian rather than English, unless there is >>>> someone else in the group with Italian-language skills, I would undertake >>>> to make a rough translation (or edit a machine-translation). >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Joseph >>>> >>>> (Joseph E. Brenner, Ph.D.) >>>> VP-Inter-and Transdisciplinarity, International Society for Information >>>> Science) >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Francesco Rizzo <13francesco.ri...@gmail.com> >>>> *To:* Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> >>>> *Cc:* fis@listas.unizar.es >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 05, 2014 4:31 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Information Science and the City >>>> >>>> Caro Pedro e cari tutti, >>>> mi permetto di segnalarVi che la mia "Nuova economia" è basata sul >>>> processo di tras-in-form-azione. Si cfr. a tal proposito, fra i tanti >>>> altri: >>>> -Rizzo F., ""Valore e valutazioni. La scienza dell'economia o >>>> l'economia della scienza", FancoAngeli, Milano 1999; >>>> -Rizzo F., "Nuova economia. Felicità del lavoro creativo e della >>>> conservazione della natura. Infelicità della speculazione finanziaria", >>>> Aracne editrice, Roma, 2013; >>>> -Rizzo F., "Incontro d'amore tra il cuore della fede e l'intelligenza >>>> della scienza. Un salto nel cielo", Aracne editrice, Roma 2014. >>>> Ho dedicato mezzo secolo di ricerca per ri-comprendere e ri-significare >>>> la scienza economica. Quello che scrivo non è una presunzione. >>>> Auguri per un'intensa ripresa e grazie. >>>> Francesco Rizzo. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-06-05 14:25 GMT+02:00 Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es >>>> >: >>>> >>>>> Dear FISers, >>>>> >>>>> Among the many interesting themes where the information science >>>>> perspective may provide useful orientations, cities are one of the most >>>>> singular. A recent work by Michel Batty on the New Science of Cities >>>>> (2013, >>>>> MIT) makes a lot of connections with our oft discussed info topics. A >>>>> Communication Theory of Urban Growth was developed by Richard Meier >>>>> (1962); >>>>> a fluxes perspective was already attempted by Patrick Geddes (1949). In >>>>> essence I have found that the idea of information flows and material flows >>>>> as catching and intertwining each other, with their highly different >>>>> regimes, heterogeneity and energy contents, appears as an important focus >>>>> in order to better understand the globalized city. Scaling is one of the >>>>> essential concepts... >>>>> >>>>> I am not aware that scaling has been applied to the informational >>>>> analysis itself (obviously it is the cornerstone of self-similarity). What >>>>> I mean is that a micro-level of communication analysis may be quite >>>>> different from the meso-level, and the from macro-level. Thinking in the >>>>> human case (biologically it could make sense too) the micro level is >>>>> dominated by syntaxis, by a Shannonian type of analysis on messages >>>>> emitted >>>>> from a sourced to a receiver. The meso level contains meaning, value >>>>> (fitness), purpose, and in general it implies the communication associated >>>>> to the behavioral episodes and living rhythms of individuals. While in the >>>>> macro level, many individuals' actions, works, products, etc. are >>>>> aggregated into fluxes or flows, basically of two kinds those devoted to >>>>> the material (self-production) and those carrying the info stuff devoted >>>>> to >>>>> communication; then it invites analysis of network science, operations >>>>> research, economic efficiency, etc., and of course the direct flow >>>>> perspective as Bejan and Peder (2011) have attempted in one of the most >>>>> interesting theories on self-constructing flow systems. Depending on the >>>>> information perspective in which we observe human communication, we will >>>>> need one or another lens to better make sense of what is happening. >>>>> >>>>> My impression is that a more mature info science could be quite >>>>> helpful in this new field of urban development science --most people >>>>> nowadays are living in cities. Top down planning will fail if it is does >>>>> not match with the bottom up processes, both in communication and >>>>> self-production aspects. Keeping an adequate social flow of information, a >>>>> well-mixed regime of communication, is the essence of democracy. The >>>>> contemporary "epidemics of loneliness" for instance may be due among other >>>>> social and demographic causes to failures in bureaucratic high level >>>>> planning... >>>>> >>>>> best ---Pedro >>>>> >>>>> PS. After the nasty computer crash months ago, we should try to >>>>> enliven the list--shouldn't we? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ------------------------------------------------- >>>>> Pedro C. Marijuán >>>>> Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group >>>>> Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud >>>>> Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA) >>>>> Avda. 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