This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the response.  I understand that you are trying to keep me from
imparting misinformation to the list...and appreciate that.  I know that I
don't have a good grasp of how all this works, but I sure would like to
understand.

Eventually, if I can ever find a good one, I will buy some humongous
veterinary reference work and try to learn more about all this from the
ground up.  Right now I'm stuck with the kind of books that go sort of like
this: "Does horse have a hang nail?  Yes? No?; If the answer is Yes, Does
the hang nail move when touched?  If the answer is Yes, CALL THE VET RIGHT
NOW."   Not very helpful advice when you are away from your carefully
selected vet, out in the boonies - an hour from the nearest large animal vet
who treats cattle most of the time, and 3 1/2 hours (not the seven I
thought) from the closest surgery clinic (in Redding, according to my home
vet). 

>How can banamine (or other meds) correct a twisted large intestine?

I thought banamine and other drugs were used to mask symptoms so things
would not get worse.  I thought that, among the possibilities for "things
getting worse" was the horse rolling from the pain, and causing a twist that
was not there originally?    What about the possibility  that this was an
impaction further down (treatable by oil, or maybe early surgery), that was
*later* complicated due to rolling or gas buildup?  Could this ever happen?
If it could, then prevention or aggressive treatment earlier (including
considering surgery) might have prevented the large bowel from being
displaced?  (I am assuming here that a twisted/displaced(?) large bowel is
definitely inoperable.  Right?)

I got this idea, in part, from the vet (and just about everyone else)
telling me that rolling can cause a twist.  So couldn't the twist have come
later, maybe just a little before the time she started throwing herself
around violently.  

Another thing I do not understand...if the original problem was the twist
just below the stomach, how did she keep packing food in for the period from
sometime around Saturday noon until Sunday at 6:00 PM.  During that time she
was a little off her food and, in retrospect, was already ill -  but she ate
a HUGE lunch, a dinner, part of breakfast, and a significant amount of
grass.  Could she have done that with a twist just below her stomach?
Additionally, during this whole time, she seemed to produce almost as much
manure volume as the other two horses.  This sounds to me more like a slowly
developing sluggishness of the intestinal tract, then maybe impaction - not
a sudden twist?

Anyway, I know Steve has better things to do than provide veterinary
education online.  I appreciate his effort, but still can't put the whole
picture together. Maybe someone else has these basics down better than I do?  

Gail




Gail Russell
Forestville CA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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