fjordhorse-digest Friday, December 14 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 326
In this issue:
Re: For Mark, answer from professor
Re: the viking horse the Fjord?
Re: NFHR Responsibility & 5th generation pedigrees.
Re: Horse ancestry
Re: Tunica and W at the Norwegian Embassy - long
Attention Mainers, camptown dave alert!
Re: Tunica and W at the Norwegian Embassy - miscomunications
Tina's mysterious lameness
Various
Re: fjord saddle
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2001 #325
Re: Libby Show
Re: Tina's mysterious lameness
RE: Looking for a name
Pas De Deux tape
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:47:45 -0600
From: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: For Mark, answer from professor
This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Thanks Lynda
Mark
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> This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Hello Mark,
>
> My old professor answered my request today, and here is his answer. Hope
> this helps!
>
> <<The pronunciation in Old Norse might have simply been [bragi], whereas in
> Modern Icelandic it is more like [brah-yee], with a plaitalization of the
> /g/.>>
>
> Lynda
>
> Lynda and Daniel
>
> Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm
> White Cloud, MI
> 231.689.9902
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:21:03 -0500
From: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the viking horse the Fjord?
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 03:22 PM 12/12/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>This message is from: "D T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>I started to do some research about the Vikings and the horses that they
>used. I have just started and the only area on the internet that even
>deals with their horses, that I have found so far, won't let me enter.
>
>Can anyone tell me where I could read more about the Fjord and the Viking?
>Are there accounts of Fjords being used, pictures from long, long ago
>what? I would appreciate a point in the right direction.
I don't think the Vikings had cameras Deb. I really don't know where you
would look for that sort of info. Maybe someone else will have an idea.
Mike
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Mike May, Executive Director &
Registrar
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:13:03 -0500
From: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NFHR Responsibility & 5th generation pedigrees.
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 09:19 AM 12/12/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>This message is from: Arthur and Carol Rivoire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
>I'll do that. I know you understand, Mike, that I'm just trying to improve
>something I see as needing attention. The point is (as you say) trying to
>get as many horses in the data base as possible, and to do it in the most
>efficient way possible.
Yes this is true.
>By the way, I checked my book of registration certificates, and five of our
>imported horses have completed pedigrees, meaning that when I sent in their
>transfer applications, you had all the info in your computer. One of those
>horses came the same year as the one that appeared with all the holes in
>her certificate. The point being that the Registry's data base is very
>extensive, and it's only the odd horse that comes up with blanks. This
>being the case, perhaps you could notify the owner, and get that odd horse
>taken care of.
Yes the database is pretty extensive & it grows every day. Right now it
has 6,245 Fjord horses in it.
>I also noticed that some of our U.S. born and bred mares over 15 years old
>have holes in their pedigree certificates. Two are Solar daughters, and
>the other imported in utero. Most likely, if I send those certificates
>back for upgrading, you now have that information in the computers.
You can check to see yourself before sending them in. Just go to the web
site & type in their name or part of it. When it finds the correct horse
click on its name & you will see the five generation pedigree on line. If
there are holes in it then I don't have the info in the database. If you
wish to get the information from the official source & send it in or have
it sent to me directly I will update the database when I get time to do so.
>Again, the point is that it's probably a fairly unusual case to come up
>with holes in the pedigree, so it wouldn't be a lot of extra work for you
>to either take care of it yourself, or contact the owner before completing
>the certificate. Best Regards, Carol
Actually it is fairly common to not have a full 5 generation pedigree on
imported horses. The stallion lines are usually not a problem but there
are many different mares that are not in any of our horses lines yet.
Mike
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:25:18 -0500
From: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Horse ancestry
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 03:43 PM 12/12/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>This message is from: "D T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>With all this talk of registering 5 generations of Fjords I have a
>question. Please keep in mind, although that won't be difficult, that I am
>not a breeder.
>Does anyone know anything about his lineage:
>
>Buck-34
>Freya-38
>produced Kinnikinnick-45
>and
>
>Stolmann -1
>Rita-3
>produced Sammi-11
>
>Kinnikinnick and Sammi produced Brawn-66 who is the father of Lars
>
>Now throw in
>
>Suldrup Heid (DM) D329
>Lene (DM) D4224
>produced Rita-3
>
>Kinnikinnick and Rita produced Buffy who is the mother of Lars
>
>this is quite confusing to me. Can someone explain it?
>Deb
Well what is it exactly that you need explained? Seems like you have it
down pretty well actually.
Mike
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Mike May, Executive Director &
Registrar
Voice 585-872-4114
FAX 585-787-0497
http://www.nfhr.com
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:39:00 -0800
From: Don Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tunica and W at the Norwegian Embassy - long
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Congratulations to Cheryl, Tunica and Wenche! They are great horses but
only as good as their owner! ;) Love hearing about peoples adventures
home and away with their horses.
Jane
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:56:04 -0500
From: Joanna Crell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Attention Mainers, camptown dave alert!
This message is from: Joanna Crell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi all fjorders,
Just to make sure y'all are in the know, Dave McWethy will be the featured
speaker at the JAn uary 12th meeting of the MAine Driving club meeting at
the Windham Library at 11:30. The topic will be about his cross country
journey with his 3 fjords (from NH to Montana) and I'm sure there would be
lots of time for questions about everything else . It is a MDC members
meeting( cold dish potluck) but they have extended welcome to non members
for 5.00$ so, like me, either join-up or ante up and show up!
Personally, I want to know what other ulterior motive that spy has for
infiltrating our state, my operatives have let me down on this one, who is
he visiting if not me, and why?!!! Did some sneaky harness-wanter offer
him a beach drive or worse yet, lure him with some barbeque?? I'll have
join the tag team of dancing girls and pound it out of him, no fun escapes
my scrutiny! see you in the vicinity of one tall suspicious character
masquerading as a purveyor of equine accoutrements. Mission impossible
theme here please......
Joanna Crell and David Folger, directors
Willowind Therapeutic Riding and Driving Center
State Highway 3 Box 1140 Eden
Bar Harbor, Maine 04609
phone and fax (207) 288-9506
http://www.willowind.org
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:52:01 -0800
From: Don Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tunica and W at the Norwegian Embassy - miscomunications
This message is from: Don Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
This method of comunication is difficult. What I meant to say was that
Cheryl deserves as much if not more of the congratulations. Her horses
did so well because she prepared them so well. Not sure if my post
really said that!
Also in my post about Libby classes, I never ment to imply that stick
horse and other fun classes shouldn't be included. Just not to delete
unique hitches. Too bad we aren't really able to meet around the
kitchen table once and a while. Wouldn't have to spell correctly either.
Jane
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:09:05 +0100
From: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tina's mysterious lameness
This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Jean wrote:
>>Anneli, Could it be so simple as a stone bruise? >>
I'm afraid not. She has had pads on her front hooves since june and have the
hooves checked by two different farriers and two different vets. The next thing
to do, according to the vet on the animal hospital, is to do some "super X-ray"
(scintografi in Swedish), but we haven't got a time yet. After that - I will
turn to a chiropractor, but I thought we could might as well try this first.
But I have to check again about this test and pregnant mares! I belive I told
the vet 10 times that Tina was pregnant, but I'm not quite sure the vet
remembered it in the end anyway.
Tina was tested pregnant och the 30th day and if there is a problem with the
test and pregnancy, I will ask for a blood-test to check for sure. If she has
resorbed or something (which I don't think) I will have them run the test, if
not we have to think of something else.
Anneli
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Anneli Sundkvist
Department of Archaeology & Ancient History
Uppsala University
St. Eriks Torg 5
S-753 10 Uppsala
Sweden
Phone: +46-18-4716236
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:40:50 -0800
From: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Various
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi all -
Some responses to the last Digest:
Robyn - the next Libby Show will be held in Libby, Montana, near the
Canadian border, on September 13-15, 2002. It is always tied to the dates of
the town's Nordicfest celebration. I hope you can come, it has always been a
wonderful show! Jane, I look forward to seeing you there someday too. Looks
like we should definitely have the Unique Hitch class, but I still haven't
heard that anyone plans to be in it. Next question - what about the Team
Weight Pull - no entries last year...?
Anneli - glad to hear from you again. You have a unique perspective and
always have thoughtful posts. Good luck in solving the lameness puzzle. I,
too, have had good results with equine accupressure and chiropractic
treatments.
Joel - "breeding for color" is something that has been detrimental to many
breeds, when that was the only criterion for breeding. "Breeding for color,"
however, is not the same as trying to preserve the important characteristics
of the Fjord breed, one of which is that the breed occurs in 5 types of dun
coloration. I am sure your preference for "draft types" does not mean that
you ignore temperament, soundness, other aspects of conformation,
intelligence, or the other traits people are writing about in response to
Vivian's question.. Neither does my interest in color ignore those
characteristics.
As I have stated before, color for me is important, given that "the basics"
are already there. Some breeders may have different priorities. That is why
we have the Evaluation program. Buyers or breeders can, if they wish, use
the information as a valuable aid in choosing stock. There is no mention
that I can think of in the Evaluation program of color, except in reference
to white on the face and dun markings. Color choices come after the useful
information from an Evaluation.
Vivian - I am still working on your question. I think it's great and I am
enjoying the responses.
All those writing about pedigrees - YEAH! I'm excited about the future
worldwide data base that I'm sure will come soon. And I wonder how DNA
testing will be a part of this information - I'm sure it will, eventually.
Arne Presthus expressed the hope that, before long, each country would
accept the others' Evaluations. This would be a huge boon to breeders who
import.
Long-winded as usual - Peg
Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA
http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:46:33 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: fjord saddle
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Hi Terrance,
Welcome to the Fjord list. Congratulations on your new Fjord!
I can tell you that I use a Wintec saddle with a wide tree on my fjord.
It fits him well. It's a dressage saddle so it doesn't have any long
skirts to interfere with his hip.
Sharon and Buddy playing in So Cal. 60 degrees and sunny with overnight
frost on the grass.
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:21:24 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: fjordhorse-digest V2001 #325
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Hello,
I was on the fjord newletter and I saw your email FG Brix, Is that FG as in
Fjord Gate. I have an fjord who is FG Drisdig. I was just wondering if its a
Fjord from the same farm as mine.
Thanks
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 00:48:21 +0000
From: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Libby Show
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Peg Kuntsen wrote:
... thanks for the kind words about the efforts involved in putting on a
Show. Besides Gayle, who put some of her boundless energy into getting the
show off the ground, your comments include the old, well, long-time,
stalwarts.. I'm sure I will inadvertently leave some
out, but the Johnsons, Webbers, Daytons, Bergies, Hoopes, Andersons &
Rollins's are some that come to mind...
Peg I applaud your efforts in recognising the energies, human and "other"
that go into the mix to create the Libby show, or ANY show!
It is NOT a simple task by any means, especially as the Fjord exhibitor
becomes more and more sophisticated in terms of the range of disciplines
they can perform in.
However, just wanted to add a few names to your list of above:
Bev Bishop (nee Tarmina) and her sister Ailene Oakwright who basiclly
originated Libby (correct me if I am wrong here!) and Larry & Lynn Bo, who I
know were extremely supportive of the show in the early years. Lastly, lets
not forget Chip Lamb's contribution...
Anyway, just a little addendum to an allready stellar list.
Cheers,
Karen McCarthy
Great Basin Fjords
Carson City, Nv
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:41:52 -0800
From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tina's mysterious lameness
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Anneli hope you get an answer. It is so difficult not knowing what it is or
if it will get worse, or if you are doing the right thing etc. Sometimes I
wonder why we put ourselves in this position until I go out and get a nudge
or a nose to my face, etc. Jean
Jean Walters Gayle
[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ]
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:37:58 -0800
From: "Frederick J. Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Looking for a name
This message is from: "Frederick J. Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Rondi wrote:
Here is what I have found when I type in Norwegian:
?=alt 146
?= alt 0216
?= alt 143
?= alt 0230
?= alt 0248
?= alt 0229
Hope this helps,
Rondi.
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:52:31 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Pas De Deux tape
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Hi Everyone,
Just wanted to let you know that I was finally able to get the tape finished
of the Pas De Deux that Anne & I did during the Libby show. I previewed it
at the editor's yesterday and will be picking up the final copies today. I
am really tickled with it. He did an excellent job.
For those of you who do Expos, this one will surely catch everyone's
attention!
If you would like a copy, please send your request along with $20 to:
Gayle Ware
28690 W.11th Ave
Eugene, OR 97402
Those of you who paid for the Fjord calendars, they have been mailed to you.
Please let me know that you received them OK. I mailed them in the large
yellow envelopes. I was a bit concerned that they might not ship well, but
the postal clerk assured me before I sent them that they should be fine.
Happy Holidays,
Gayle Ware
Field of Dreams
Eugene, OR
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