fjordhorse-digest Wednesday, December 12 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 324
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Re: 5 Generation Pedigree - NFHR Responsibility?
fjord saddle
Re: 5 Generation Pedigree - NFHR Responsibility?
Looking for a name
Re: Looking for a name
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Re: 5 Generation Pedigree - NFHR Responsibility?
Re: Denny Emerson's article
Re: Looking for a name
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:41:47 -0400
From: Arthur and Carol Rivoire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 5 Generation Pedigree - NFHR Responsibility?
This message is from: Arthur and Carol Rivoire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Good Morning from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia -
Just a few points to clear up -
The horses we import are all duly registered with the Dutch Fjord Studbook,
and come with their official Passport, which has a 3 generation pedigree
printed, includes a DNA certtificate, Dutch Registraion number, and
microchip barcode. --- The official Dutch Passport is set up for only 3
generations. However, if I wanted 5 generations, I could ask for it and
get it.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'LL DO IN THE FUTURE because it annoys the hell
out of me to see a pedigree certificate not fully filled in, particularly
since I know the information is there for the asking.
SUGGESTION #1 - Please remind us from time to time that it is the owner's
responsibility to obtain a completed pedigree to the 4th and 5th
generations . . . if they want a completed NFHR ped. cert. Speaking
personally, it is easy to forget this detail when importing horses.
SUGGESTION #2 Perhaps the Registrar could contact the owner if and when he
finds a pedigree that's going to have holes in it to the 5th generation.
If the horse is an imported horse, then it's simple for the owner to get
the information. Mike can provide the necessary phone and fax numbers.
SUGGESTION #3 - It seems the simplest of all would be for the Registrar to
contact his counterpart office and request information he needs.
Every new bit of pedigree informatioin that goes in the NFHR computers
makes ours a better registry . . . in my opinion.
Another benefit would be to have the various Registries maintain a good
working relationship with each other.
Regards, Carol Rivoire
Carol and Arthur Rivoire
Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II
R.R. 7 Pomquet
Antigonish County
Nova Scotia
B2G 2L4
902 386 2304
http://www.beaverdamfarm.com
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:04:55 -0700
From: "TERRENCE GURIEL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: fjord saddle
This message is from: "TERRENCE GURIEL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Howdy,
I'm new to the list and a new fjord owner.
I have a question on saddle type. What works best on these horses? I am using
a wide bar full quarter horse saddle and it just rolls around. Not enough
withers on the horse to lock it in place.
Has anyone used the saddle offered on the International Fjord Horse web page?
Thanks
Quigley
Colorado
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:57:28 -0500
From: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 5 Generation Pedigree - NFHR Responsibility?
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 07:41 AM 12/11/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>This message is from: Arthur and Carol Rivoire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'LL DO IN THE FUTURE because it annoys the hell
>out of me to see a pedigree certificate not fully filled in, particularly
>since I know the information is there for the asking.
>
>SUGGESTION #1 - Please remind us from time to time that it is the owner's
>responsibility to obtain a completed pedigree to the 4th and 5th
>generations . . . if they want a completed NFHR ped. cert. Speaking
>personally, it is easy to forget this detail when importing horses.
I can do this. Where would you suggest I remind people of this?
>SUGGESTION #2 Perhaps the Registrar could contact the owner if and when he
>finds a pedigree that's going to have holes in it to the 5th generation.
>If the horse is an imported horse, then it's simple for the owner to get
>the information. Mike can provide the necessary phone and fax numbers.
I can also do this but the owner will have to realize that the Registration
will be delayed awaiting the information.
>SUGGESTION #3 - It seems the simplest of all would be for the Registrar to
>contact his counterpart office and request information he needs.
>Every new bit of pedigree informatioin that goes in the NFHR computers
>makes ours a better registry . . . in my opinion.
I agree that the larger our database becomes the better it is & the more
useful it is also, but all of that input takes lots of time. I would love
to have all of the Registered Fjords that ever lived in the database but it
just isn't possible at this time. It is still not as easy as you make it
sound to get the pedigrees. If it was just a matter of sending an email &
asking for it then it wouldn't be such a big deal. With some of the
registries this is possible but not all of them.
Perhaps you can discuss this problem with Bob van Bon & have him supply a 5
generation pedigree for any horse that is exported to the USA or Canada in
the future.
Mike
=======================================================
Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry
Mike May, Registrar
Voice 716-872-4114
FAX 716-787-0497
http://www.nfhr.com
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:17:28 -0600
From: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Looking for a name
This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Awhile back we were talking about a norse god (I think) that sang to the
horses as they entered Valhalla. Or maybe it was the son of one. Does
anybody remember this? I think the name started with the letter B. (I
hope I didn't dream this up!). I did a search on the archives with the
word "Valhalla" and it didn't show up. Actually only 8 responses with
the word Valhalla showed up. A surprisingly small number I thought??
If anyone knows the name I'd appreciate the info.
Thanks,
Mark McGinley
Mariposa Farm
(4 miles from Valhalla...recreation area of the Chequamegon National
Forest)
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:58:46 +0100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Looking for a name
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Do you mean "Baldur"?
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:57:24 -0700
From: Pat Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: new email address
This message is from: Pat Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi:
OE and Pat Wilson have changed email addresses. Please change your
records to indicate the new address. It is: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Also, please give me an address so that I can send a check to help with
the maintenance of the web site. I have really ripped some good
information from the list and want to see it continue.
pat wilson
ttfn
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:03:20 -0700
From: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 5 Generation Pedigree - NFHR Responsibility?
This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Carol Rivoire wrote:
> SUGGESTION #3 - It seems the simplest of all would be for the Registrar to
> contact his counterpart office and request information he needs.
> Every new bit of pedigree informatioin that goes in the NFHR computers
> makes ours a better registry . . . in my opinion.
>
> Another benefit would be to have the various Registries maintain a good
> working relationship with each other.
Re: suggestion # 3, I wonder just how simple this would be right now? I think
that the communication lines are just beginning to open. It seems to me that
anyone who had imported a significant number of horses from a particular
country might have a little more inside connection than even our NFHR
registry. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the communication just hasn't
progressed that far, yet (and I emphasize YET....I can see it happening in the
future.) Or perhaps it's just getting there as we speak.
I would imagine (but I don't know for sure) that this is one of the details
that either has been, or can be, taken up by Fjord Horse International.
Especially since one of the focus subjects is regarding the importation and
exportation of Fjord horses.
As for the various world-wide Fjord organizations maintaining good working
relationships, this would be an excellent thing. There is much that can get in
the way, however. Simple communication (language) for one. I think it would
be beneficial for people who have connections in various countries to contact
their friends, acquaintances and allies and make a suggestion along these
lines. Grass roots politics go a long way towards reaching goals. Don't be
satisfied with the use of this e-mail list alone. Phone calls are more
personal than letters, IMHO, and are much more personal than e-mails or faxes.
Just my two cents worth.
Beth
- --
Beth Beymer & Sandy North
Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO
http://www.starfirefarm.com
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:10:47 -0500
From: Vivian Creigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Denny Emerson's article
This message is from: Vivian Creigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I reread the article this morning and there was actually so much more to it
than I realized. It says something a little different for all of us.
For Joel it was an issue of training the youngsters for Jan and Pamela it
was about expectations and breeding the best horses possible.
For me it was being able to track the performance record of individuals,
their parents, their granparents as well as and maybe most importantly their
offspring and it's use a tool in selecting breeding stock.
I would like to know how the people on the list choose which horses to
breed. What is your criteria? What do you want the foal to excell at when he
grows up? How will you market an untrained youngster if you choose to sell
the foal before he is trained? When do you keep a colt intact and when do
you geld and on what do you base your decision?
And these questions also apply to someone purchasing a Fjord. Again, what is
your criteria? What do you want to do with your newly acquired Fjord?Is the
performance record of your youngsters parents important? Will you send
him/her for professional training or train him/her yourself? And here's the
biggie...what do you expect to pay for a Fjord and on what do you base this
figure?
I imagine that there are as many different answers to these questions as
there are people reading this list. I look forward to hearing the answers
as it should provide both breeders and buyers with new insight.
Vivian Creigh
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:28:00 -0600
From: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Looking for a name
This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I'm not sure but I don't think it was Baldur. Thanks though.
Mark
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Do you mean "Baldur"?
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:16:56 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Denny Emerson's article
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 12/11/01 8:22:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I would like to know how the people on the list choose which horses to
> breed. What is your criteria? What do you want the foal to excell at when he
> grows up? How will you market an untrained youngster if you choose to sell
> the foal before he is trained? When do you keep a colt intact and when do
> you geld and on what do you base your decision?
>
> And these questions also apply to someone purchasing a Fjord. Again, what is
> your criteria? What do you want to do with your newly acquired Fjord?Is the
> performance record of your youngsters parents important? Will you send
> him/her for professional training or train him/her yourself? And here's the
> biggie...what do you expect to pay for a Fjord and on what do you base this
> figure?
>
I'll only answer a couple of questions. If I answered them all, it would be
well nigh akin to writing a book. First, the horse would need more than
exceptional conformation. Yes, there can be flaws (as we all have) but they
cannot be flaws that would be soundneess related. For instance, a horse that
is over at the knee, has bad hooves, legs, bone. It MUST be true to type for
it's breed. I had an excellent Arab colt that I gelded. I'd love to have
had twenty more just like him. He was sound, calm, relaxed, gentle. Would
go through fire and flood for me. But he wasn't a great example of Arab
"type". All too often I'd have cowboys ride up to me, EXTREMELY embarrassed
after complimenting my "great quarter horse". I'd be grinning ear to ear
telling him he was an Arab.
Okay, after an exceptional conformation, I look for temperment. Juniper is a
wonderful example of this. There's never been born a horse with a better
temperment than this mare. Maybe some with equally good temperment, but none
better. She passed it down to her filly, and I'm looking forward to the
2002 baby.
Third are bloodlines and performance records. Juniper has that wonderful
King Herald background. The two stallions that I've bred her to are nicely
bred boys, and their performance and ability are impressive.
What do I want my foals to excell at? Primarily I'm breeding to put good
therapy horses in the market place. For me, a good therapeutic horse is a
horse that excels for "regular" riders, but has that special empathy required
for handling the disabled. I'm less than a novice at driving, but need to
add that to my resume. So the therapy horses need to be able to be driven
safely, a more than passing nod at dressage is important, and trail riding is
also a must.
Marketing the untrained youngster depends so much on the horse in question.
If I had a foal that did not meet my requirements (as has happened with the
qh in the past) I'd market it as EXACTLY what it is or isn't. And wait for
the right person who wanted this particular horse.
That's more than my own 2 cents at just a couple of your questions! Looking
forward to reading other thoughts.
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:24:30 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Looking for a name
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 12/11/01 5:24:57 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Awhile back we were talking about a norse god (I think) that sang to the
> horses as they entered Valhalla. Or maybe it was the son of one. Does
> anybody remember this? I think the name started with the letter B. (I
> hope I didn't dream this up!). I did a search on the archives with the
> word "Valhalla" and it didn't show up. Actually only 8 responses with
> the word Valhalla showed up.
I did a Google search using the phrase "God who sang to horses Entering
Valhalla" and got this reply back. <A
HREF="http://inkpot.com/classical/ringsolscenes.html";>WAGNER Great Scenes from
the Ring.
Various/VPO/Solti (Decca) - INKPOT</A> According to this site it was Wotan,
chief of the Gods, who sings poetic greetings to Valhalla before inviting the
Gods to enter. It's an amusing site, anyway.
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:00:15 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Looking for a name
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello,
I study Norse literature and do not know of what you are talking about. LOL
Are you perhaps thinking of the Norse god, Bragi? In the myths, he is known
to sing...is called the god of poetry. There is also Balder, god of mercy,
beauty, & wisdom; Bor, father of Odhinn; and Buri, grandfather of Odhinn.
You also could be thinking of Heimdall, guardian of the rainbow bridge. He
has a horn he blows at the start of Ragnarok...Hope this helps!
Lynda
Lynda and Daniel
Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm
White Cloud, MI
231-689-9902
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:05:36 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Looking for a name
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 12/11/2001 12:28:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> <<I did a Google search using the phrase "God who sang to horses Entering
> Valhalla" and got this reply back. <A
> HREF="http://inkpot.com/classical/ringsolscenes.html";>WAGNER Great Scenes
> from the Ring.
> Various/VPO/Solti (Decca) - INKPOT</A> According to this site it was Wotan,
> chief of the Gods, who sings poetic greetings to Valhalla before inviting
> the
> Gods to enter. It's an amusing site, anyway.
> >>
>
Hello again,
Never thought of Wagner.....you are referring to his opera. However,
Wotan/Odhinn is said to welcome warriors into Valhalla...do not see how this
could be construed for horses, though.
Lynda
Lynda and Daniel
Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm
White Cloud, MI
231-689-9902
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:02:42 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Looking for a name
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 12/11/01 10:14:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Never thought of Wagner.....you are referring to his opera. However,
> Wotan/Odhinn is said to welcome warriors into Valhalla...do not see how
> this
>
I don't know, but this site has a cute little sidebar on it, and referrs to
the Gods, Warriors, Valkrey and their horses. :)
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:24:42 -0800
From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Denny Emerson's article
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Vivian, At one time I thought about becoming a breeder when my Charlie hit
the ground. I had a wonderful mare and had carefully chosen the stallion
based on what I felt were the mare's faults. Charley was a regal beastie,
but as he grew and grew and his personality was overly friendly and he liked
to push his boundaries I decided not to have a 17 plus hand stallion around.
Charley was 11 months when I turned his dam back in the field with him and
he mounted her quite appropriately and she slipped out from under just in
time. The Vet was here the next day and did the cutting.
The result of breeding the mare the second time resulted in a beautiful
filly. But I bonded to her and realized that any further foals would all be
here, so that was the last of the breeding of my stock.
Obviously, I am not a professional horse person in the breeding line. But
these reasons are what you asked for. I have offered to let a friend use my
mare for a breeding she wants but then called it off as I knew I would
probably lose my friend when I could not let the foal go!!!
Jean Walters Gayle
[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ]
http://users.techline.com/jgayle
Send $20
Three Horses Press
PO Box 104
Montesano, WA 98563
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From: Vivian Creigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com <fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Denny Emerson's article
>This message is from: Vivian Creigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>I reread the article this morning and there was actually so much more to it
>than I realized. It says something a little different for all of us.
>
>For Joel it was an issue of training the youngsters for Jan and Pamela it
>was about expectations and breeding the best horses possible.
>
>For me it was being able to track the performance record of individuals,
>their parents, their granparents as well as and maybe most importantly
their
>offspring and it's use a tool in selecting breeding stock.
>
>I would like to know how the people on the list choose which horses to
>breed. What is your criteria? What do you want the foal to excell at when
he
>grows up? How will you market an untrained youngster if you choose to sell
>the foal before he is trained? When do you keep a colt intact and when do
>you geld and on what do you base your decision?
>
>And these questions also apply to someone purchasing a Fjord. Again, what
is
>your criteria? What do you want to do with your newly acquired Fjord?Is the
>performance record of your youngsters parents important? Will you send
>him/her for professional training or train him/her yourself? And here's
the
>biggie...what do you expect to pay for a Fjord and on what do you base this
>figure?
>
>I imagine that there are as many different answers to these questions as
>there are people reading this list. I look forward to hearing the answers
>as it should provide both breeders and buyers with new insight.
>Vivian Creigh
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:35:49 -0600
From: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Looking for a name
This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Linda,
Bragi- that's the name!!! Thanks. If we get a colt this spring we are thinking
of naming him that. Is it pronounced with a hard or soft "G"?
Thanks again,
Mark
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Hello,
>
> I study Norse literature and do not know of what you are talking about. LOL
> Are you perhaps thinking of the Norse god, Bragi? In the myths, he is known
> to sing...is called the god of poetry. There is also Balder, god of mercy,
> beauty, & wisdom; Bor, father of Odhinn; and Buri, grandfather of Odhinn.
> You also could be thinking of Heimdall, guardian of the rainbow bridge. He
> has a horn he blows at the start of Ragnarok...Hope this helps!
>
> Lynda
>
> Lynda and Daniel
> Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm
> White Cloud, MI
> 231-689-9902
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:39:06 -0600
From: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Looking for a name
This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Wotan's a great name too. Reminds me of a great Bass player I've worked
with... Victor Wootan
Thanks anyway,
Mark
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> In a message dated 12/11/01 5:24:57 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > Awhile back we were talking about a norse god (I think) that sang to the
> > horses as they entered Valhalla. Or maybe it was the son of one. Does
> > anybody remember this? I think the name started with the letter B. (I
> > hope I didn't dream this up!). I did a search on the archives with the
> > word "Valhalla" and it didn't show up. Actually only 8 responses with
> > the word Valhalla showed up.
>
> I did a Google search using the phrase "God who sang to horses Entering
> Valhalla" and got this reply back. <A
> HREF="http://inkpot.com/classical/ringsolscenes.html";>WAGNER Great Scenes
> from the Ring.
> Various/VPO/Solti (Decca) - INKPOT</A> According to this site it was Wotan,
> chief of the Gods, who sings poetic greetings to Valhalla before inviting the
> Gods to enter. It's an amusing site, anyway.
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:07:15 -0600
From: Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: information MWFHC
This message is from: Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For those of you whom received your MWFHC Newsletter the information concerning
the Annual meeting in
March may be confusing. Please read below for up to date information.
Due to the change in ownership the meeting will NOT be at the Longhollow Point
Resort as it has been in
the past. We do not have a block of rooms there.
We have 40 rooms blocked and the meeting, dinner and classroom clinics will be
at The Victorian Pines
Lodging - in Galena. We arranged for a package deal. The package includes the:
Welcome reception Friday night 5-10 pm
Box lunch
dinner
and lodging for Friday night and Saturday night. With continental breakfast.
The price is $135.00 per person based on one person per room, $95.00 per person
based on two people per
room. This is less than last years prices.
To make reservations you can call (815) 777-2043 REMEMBER to tell them you are
with the Midwest Fjord
Horse Club. They also have a website for you to see the facilities -
www.VictorianPinesLodging.com
This is a new resort in Galena, very nice with health spa, pool, bright large
conference rooms, etc.
Brian and Ursula Jensen are are clinicians this year. They will give a
classroom study Saturday morning,
then Saturday afternoon will be a live demo at the Shenandoah Riding Center,
Sunday morning will be
another live demo at the Shenandoah Riding Center. Green Valley Farm will once
again have a brunch after
the Sunday clinic - at the farm before you set off for home. Green Valley Farm
will also make itself
available to early birds Friday afternoon who would like to get together before
the evening welcome
reception at the Victorian Pines Lodging.
Please if you have any questions, feel free to contact myself or Sophie here at
Green Valley. (815)
777-6008
I also need some more people who would like to participate in the live demos.
If you have a problem
driving horse or a youngster starting out, or a horse that does it all - please
call me so we can work out
the details. Horses are boarded at Shenandoah Riding Center where the clinic is.
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:44:00 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Looking for a name
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Mark,
I cannot seem to get umlats to work in email, so bear with me here. Most of
us in the states promounce Bragi in the modern English way...like our modern
word "brag" with an "ee". If you wish to do this properly, Bragi has to be
researched through Old Icelandic, our closest link to Old Norse. SO, Bragi
would be bra` ge with the two dots over the a AND the e. The a is like the a
in father, and the e is questionable, could be said like the a in path, or
the e as in need. As for the g, that too is questionable, although most
sources say it should be pronounced like the g in German saga, not as hard as
the g in good. Make sense I hope?
Lynda
Lynda and Daniel
Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm
White Cloud, MI
231-689-9902
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:05:15 -0600
From: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Looking for a name
This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Wow, Thanks Lynda. How's "Brah-gee" sound? I don't want to slaughter it :)
I'll probably have fillys anyway
Mark
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> I cannot seem to get umlats to work in email, so bear with me here. Most of
> us in the states promounce Bragi in the modern English way...like our modern
> word "brag" with an "ee". If you wish to do this properly, Bragi has to be
> researched through Old Icelandic, our closest link to Old Norse. SO, Bragi
> would be bra` ge with the two dots over the a AND the e. The a is like the a
> in father, and the e is questionable, could be said like the a in path, or
> the e as in need. As for the g, that too is questionable, although most
> sources say it should be pronounced like the g in German saga, not as hard as
> the g in good. Make sense I hope?
>
> Lynda
>
> Lynda and Daniel
> Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm
> White Cloud, MI
> 231-689-9902
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:07:22 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: sinus problems
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Jean,
No, Naxcel is just Naxcel. No penicillin.
Steve
Steve White
Waterloo, Nebraska
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:24:29 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Looking for a name
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Mark,
Oops, I forgot. You have the name right.
Lynda
Lynda and Daniel
Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm
White Cloud, MI
231-689-9902
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:24:00 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Looking for a name
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Hi Mark,
You are welcome! Oh dear, a filly...hmmm....ok, how about....Bragidottir?
Also, the wife of Bragi is named Idun, or Idunn, the goddess of youth...Ah
well, we can work on fillies IF you have one, eh? LOL
Lynda
Lynda and Daniel
Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm
White Cloud, MI
231-689-9902
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:37:02 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Denny Emerson's article
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Good Evening from Minnesota;
Four years ago I purchased my first fjord. I wanted a driving fjord, older,
with experience. I also wanted it to look like "my image" of a fjord. I
found a 10 year old gelding with years of driving experience, in many
situtations. He looked like "my image" of a fjord and most importantly, I
COULD HANDLE HIM AND DRIVE HIM!! I was willing to pay the asking price - did
not even try to negotiate a lower price - and have never looked back or been
sorry! Being a new fjord owner and a very beginner driving student I worked
with a trainer - in fact, still do now and then. Money very well spent!!
This past fall I purchased another fjord. Again, I was searching for a
fjord with driving experience. Gelding or mare? It did not matter to me -
but, as I thought about a mare I wondered if I would I want to breed her.
My search led me to a 6 year old mare, in foal. I was able to see her 2001
foal, the stallion and drive and ride her. Would I have purchased her even
if she were not in foal - YES! Once again, being able to ride and drive her
and handle her was most important. Will I breed her again? Not for several
years - but, maybe. First, I plan to have her evaluated!! As for purchase
price - I was willing to pay full asking price because this mare was well
trained and easy for me to handle.
The foal? I chose to purchase this mare, in foal. Therefore, I will do all
I can to raise and train this foal to ride and drive. Yes, I will use the
services of a trainer. Will we sell it ?? -- who knows :) But, if we do it
will be to a home that will, like me, do all they can to train it to full
riding and driving potential.
I am not a breeder of fjords. However, being the owner of a fjord foal, IMO,
makes me responsible for it's upbringing - if I cannot do the training
necessary, I will hire someone who can. Expensive? You bet! Such is life
with horses:)
Linda in Corcoran, MN
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:40:02 -0800
From: "Ursula Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Libby 2001 Tapes & Libby 2002 Show
This message is from: "Ursula Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Dear List from Brian Jensen;
For those who requested and sent checks, the tapes are in
the mail today of the Libby 2001 Eval and Show.Merry Christmas and enjoy!!!!
It has been nice to read the interest and responses about
the Libby Show Classes.The PNWFPG has as its Mission Statement--Promotion Of
The Fjord Horse. The Libby Nordicfest Fjord Show has always showcased the
breed and all of the disciplines which demonstrate the versatility of the
breed.
The Show Committee are all volunteers who are hard working
folk and dedicated to the show itself. I thank them for sometimes it is a
thankless job with entrants complaining about this and that!!!! I do not
know how they do it sometimes. To have a successful show one must have Fjord
Horses and Entrants; but as important one must have the venue, and the
willing human resource willing to make it happen.
The Libby story is one of the coming together of Fjords,
Nordicfest, and willing volunteers. Gayle Ware managed this combination into
a wonderful showcase for our Fjords. Thanks Gayle. A Breed Show needs to
showcase the abilities of the Breed to the best ability of the Fjords and
owners for the public to see.
Libby has showcased Anne Appleby on Wez; Gayle Ware on Dusty;
Dave McWethy with his three abreast across USA; and many others including
ourselves in the Driving Dept.
The Unique Hitch Class is a Showcase Event of Driving. Fewer
Entrants is a good thing because of the safety factor. Driving a Fjord some
36-38 feet out in front of you in a Random or Pair/Tandem using six lines
does not happen in one years practice or even five years practice. I always
ask the other entrants permission first in case they have concerns, and make
arrangements with their grooms if something goes wrong. This Class is a high
risk class----- yet it offers a visual impression that can encourage and
challenge others to go home and practice to do more in driving their Fjords.
I thank Lisa P for her passionate and articulate response
about the Unique Hitch Class. It is quite amazing that this talented and
thought provoking lady is not on a NFHR Committee, or the Libby Show
Committee as a working member. We need human resources as well as Fjord
resources for the breed to prosper. I hope someone picks up the phone and
asks Lisa to join their committee.
Ursula & Brian Jensen
Trinity Fjords
Box 1032 Lumby BC Canada V0E-2G0
http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/
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(250) 547-6303
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:47:09 -0800
From: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Libby 2002
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Hi all -
Well, I seem to have elicited some well-thought-out and passionate responses
about the Unique Hitch Class! Good! As I already said, thank you, Lisa. And
Ursula, you signed IMO, but I cna't honestly say that I experience you as a
person with humble opinions - that,of course, is one of the things I
appreciate about you. Sounds like people REALLY want to see that class, but
we still haven't heard who wants to BE IN that class. Come on, folks, help
us out, here....
And let's not denigrate the "fun" or unusual classes, they are important to
participants and audiences too. They are not lesser, just different.
Keep those humble opinions coming....
Bye - Peg
Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA
http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:10:11 -0800
From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Looking for a name
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Linda. I believe your umlauted E would be pronounced like in "whew. Close
as I can get it. Also umlauts are formed from the numerical pad and holding
down alt in different sequences of three. I.e.: ? is alt 132, ? is 395.
You will have to try the sequences to find e o and u. Now to see if they
will come through in this email as umlauts. Jean
Jean Walters Gayle
[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ]
http://users.techline.com/jgayle
Send $20
Three Horses Press
PO Box 104
Montesano, WA 98563
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:27:40 -0700
From: Alison Bakken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Libby 2001 Tapes & Libby 2002 Show
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Hi Ursula and Brian,
How much are the tapes of the Libby show? I hope to get down to watch
next year, since Spruce Meadow and Libby are not in conflit for once.
We are getting some snow. I hope to start working horses after
Christmas.
Have a wonderful Christmas.
Alison Bakken
Sundre, Alberta
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:31:11 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Looking for a name
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Hi Jean,
So, is THAT how one does umlauts! Thanks for the tip!! You could be right
about "whew", as I said before, it seems to be conjecture between academics,
apparently, as to how the e would be pronounced. I personally use "need" as
I am just too American. LOL I will have to write my old professor and ask
his thoughts.
Lynda
Lynda and Daniel
Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm
White Cloud, MI
231.689.9902
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:53:34 +0100
From: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Back on list!
This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
After having spent the summer in Norway and the fall not having time to
re-introduce myself to the list, it is time to break the silence.
I'm now back home again. The summer in Norway, where I worked on an
archaeological excavation, was good, but I missed my horses. I actually saw
very few fjords in Norway! Where are they? Not in Vestfold I guess.;o)
Now, I'm trying to start a research project + teaches students. The horses are
pretty good - but Tina's lame and the vets don't know what the problem is. They
can't find anything on X-ray, her legs look fine, bending-tests of the joints
don't make her worse (it there was a joint-problem it would), no signs of
founder if you look at the X-ray results or her hooves. She is pregnant too
(sire: Knast Halsnaes) and reluctant to needles in general, so not all tests
can be made. She is out in a paddock with one other horse every day and
actually looks pretty ok, but this is really making ME sad, not knowing what
the problem is. She foundered in may and was finally fit one this problem
turned up over a day, two months ago. I have no idea and the vets seems rather
confused - a perfectly healthy horse, but lame!
Cider, on the other hand, is doing fine and we've been to our 3rd clinic with
the classical dressagetrainer Bent Branderup. We've also gotten ourselves a
"home-trainer" who visits every second week. She is also into classical
dressage and used to own a fjord.
So, there's an Anneli-update! I'll try to be more visible on the list from now
on!
Anneli
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Anneli Sundkvist
Department of Archaeology & Ancient History
Uppsala University
St. Eriks Torg 5
S-753 10 Uppsala
Sweden
Phone: +46-18-4716236
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 07:04:43 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Back on list!
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Anneli,
Welcome back, we missed you!
Lynda and Daniel
Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm
White Cloud, MI
231-689-9902
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
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