fjordhorse-digest Tuesday, December 11 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 323
In this issue:
Re: Unique Hitch ( really really long )
Unique hitches (my point)
Re: Denny Emerson's article - Horse Breeding
Re: sinus problems
Re: Unique Hitch
Re: NFHR Responsibility - 5 Generation Pedigrees
Re: Unique Hitch ( really really long )
"Song of Norway" movie
No more unique hitch at Libby?
Re: Denny Emerson's article - Horse Breeding
Unique hitch
Solar's Passing and Carol's Salute
SMZ's
Re: "Song of Norway" movie
european pedigrees
Secret Santa Sign-up - LAST CHANCE!
Libby classes - long
Re: european pedigrees
Re: sinus problems
Re: Pedigree Info - 5 generation reg. cert.
Re: "Song of Norway" movie
Denny Emerson's article
Re: question
Re: "Song of Norway" movie
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:26:43 -0600
From: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Unique Hitch ( really really long )
This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Even though we have yet to make it to Libby (long story), we would be very
> saddened to hear the Unique Hitch Class would be terminated. As a matter of
> fact, this very class is one of my personal draws to making it to Libby.
> What is more beautiful then seeing 3 or more Fjords working together? The
> experience of watching them draw farm equipment as they have been bred to do
> for centuries? This is a class that shows the heritage of the Fjord along
> with the future of the Fjord.
Hi,
I have to agree with keeping all of the different classes even though I have
never been to Libby. But I will base this on the disappointment of the Villa
Louis show this year. The gamblers choice was way too easy with hardly any of
the usual obstacles such as spearing rings or knocking cans off a board. Also
the cross country water obstacle was not mandatory. I only go as a spectator to
this show, but will not go back this year. The crowd likes to see the horses
and
drivers challenged in these classes and there was much talk in the spectator
crowd of this disappointment. I know a show is mainly put on for the
participants, but Joe Blow, who does not own a horse, is an important spectator.
- --
"Built FJORD tough"
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
Northern Wisconsin
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:06:11 -0800 (PST)
From: M Korose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Unique hitches (my point)
This message is from: M Korose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi all
Just a personal note on the unique hitches, you guys
are my heroes. After driving a single Fjord (or two)
for 10 years, I ventured into pairs last Jan. (We
have just started in Draft for 2 years, single right
now (but ALL the horses do it:-) I have access to
professional driving help and I use it, but the Fjord
people are my inspirations. Here in the East, I was
disappointed that I was the only pair at the NE show.
But visiting Beth at Starfire and listening to Brian
J's stories for a few years, you guys are something,
and THE FJORDs CAN DO IT. I have 4 horses now that
drive, most together, therefore..... I have a pair
of 4-in-hand reins on order, the process might be
slow, and I will definitely have professional help the
first time or two, but we have visions of riding
tandem, driving unicorn, drafting 3 abreast, not
because anyone here does it, I live vicariously thru
you other guys, going ahead and giving me confidence
(from a long way away!!!) I never would have thought
I would be doing this, but we are, and I love it.
Just like the Expos, where we try and introduce the
wonderful Fjords to the non-Fjord public, I would like
to knock their socks off with their capabilities. I
already do with just the pair, but I have bigger
plans. Thanks to all you guys who do so much with
your Fjords (whether hitches, Progress Days, or higher
level CDEs and dressage) you are my inspriation and I
will be there too some day.
Marsha in VA (where work is really getting in the way
of playing with my horses!)
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:58:46 -0400
From: Arthur and Carol Rivoire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Denny Emerson's article - Horse Breeding
This message is from: Arthur and Carol Rivoire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia -
Jan Bonner,
I haven't as yet read Denny's article, but will. I've gotten paranoid
about about attachments - So far I've avoided getting infected by "Vs",
but probably have missed a lot of interesting attachments along the way.
Thank you for your educated comments which were by no stretch of the
imagination "rantings". I love seeing this type of information on the List.
Regards, Carol
> Horse breeding is certainly not an exact science - you can breed the
>best to the best, and still get a mediocre - or worse - horse. BUT -
>planning your matings, doing your research, understanding conformation, and
>using the best animals does greatly increase your chances of getting an
>individual that you can be proud of.
> Can you tell that I feel strongly about this? Sorry for the rant....
> Jan
>
Carol and Arthur Rivoire
Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II
R.R. 7 Pomquet
Antigonish County
Nova Scotia
B2G 2L4
902 386 2304
http://www.beaverdamfarm.com
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:18:39 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: sinus problems
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jean,
Yes, I dilute them in water, but I either use a dosing syringe or cut the
end out of a regular syringe. Actually, I don't use SMZ's much anymore
because so many things have become resistant to them. Naxcel works good
for these conditions (once/day injection).
Steve White
Waterloo, Nebraska
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:11:58 -0400
From: Arthur and Carol Rivoire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Unique Hitch
This message is from: Arthur and Carol Rivoire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia -
Lisa,
I'm totally overwhelmed by your eloquence and reason. That was a
MARVELOUSLY well-written piece!!!! A compelling argument for keeping the
Unique Hitch classes, as well as one of the best Fjord promotional
editorials I've ever seen in print.
Would you give me permission to submit it to some of the East Coast equine
papers?
Best Regards, Carol Rivoire
Carol and Arthur Rivoire
Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II
R.R. 7 Pomquet
Antigonish County
Nova Scotia
B2G 2L4
902 386 2304
http://www.beaverdamfarm.com
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:06:09 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: NFHR Responsibility - 5 Generation Pedigrees
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Carol R. wrote:
"...Anybody might presume that those horses are Quarter Horses or
Morgans, or whatever, but maybe not pure-bred Fjordhorses . . . which,
of course, they are...."
It is clear to me you have decided that it is acceptable for you to buy
and import Fjords with a pedigree complete only to the 3rd generation.
You are also sufficiently confident in the pedigrees of these horses to
register them with the NFHR on the basis of a 3-generation pedigree.
And, finally, you are quite willing to represent these Fjords as 100%
purebred to your buyers.
It has been my observation that the reputation of Beaver Dam Farm as a
breeder and importer of quality Fjords hinges in large part on the
sterling pedigrees of your stock. If it's not necessary for you to do
the research to fill in all those glaring holes in the 4th and 5th
generations of your horses' pedigrees BEFORE YOU purchase them, then why
should anyone else, including the Registrar, be concerned after the
fact?
DeeAnna
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 08:59:23 -0700
From: Pat Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Unique Hitch ( really really long )
This message is from: Pat Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I agree with Lisa, keep the unique hitch, log pull, etc. That is one of the
reason's we drive up from Utah to see the show.
pat
ttfn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> In a message dated 12/9/01 9:05:38 AM Mountain Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> <<
> Just a reminder that the Libby Show will be held on the weekend of Sept 13 -
> 15, 2002. This is when the town of Libby has scheduled their Nordicfest
> celebration. The Show Comm. invites ideas for new, exciting classes - you
> may submit them to me privately. Also, we need comments/committments for one
> particular class, Unique Hitch. This can be a crowd-pleaser, and is fun for
> participants, but has had very few entries in the past few years, so we plan
> to leave it out unless we get enough commitments from participants to have a
> decent - sized class. Listen up, out there! Let us hear from you.
>
> We had a good Show Comm meeting today in Ritzville, [yes, beautiful downtown
> Ritzville] - your show is in good hands. So let's hear what you want!
> Otherwise, you'll only get what we want. One thing for sure, the Stick Horse
> Class will have an "Adult" division this year; we have to - we can't keep
> them out.....
> >>
>
> Sorry for pulling in so much of the original post here, but
> needed to keep reading it to believe it myself.
>
> I need to come out of lurkdom to speak on this one. Not sure whos idea it
> is to leave out a class like " Unique Hitch, " but as a member of this club,
> and someone who has traveled 2000 miles several times with horses to attend
> and support this evaluation and show, I feel I can make my point here.
>
> When and where was it that you saw your first Fjord ? How did it
> strike you ? Did you know ( like me and many others ) that someday, somehow
> you would HAVE to own one of those Fjords ? Someone, was out there,
> promoting the breed, even if it was to stand a few out in some pasture in MN.
> or advertise in some horse rag about one for sale. Or, you attended a show or
> event, maybe a parade, and saw one or more of them, right ? For me it was
> their quiet nature. Then I saw a few in a big Calif. CDE, winning the coveted
> " best condition " in very oppressive heat. I KNEW I had to have one, when I
> stood in a pasture of mares and babies, leaning on the herd sire, while he
> calmly babysat his youngsters and mares.
>
> People comming to see the Fjords at the Libby show, come to see the
> Fjords. Maybe its to bring grandpa in a wheelchair, to be able to see the
> farm ponies he worked in Norway with HIS grandpa. Or, maybe someone is
> thinking of buying a Fjord, like so many people who have stopped and talked
> to us while we were at Libby, showing. Or, maybe a Fjord owner is searching
> for a stallion to breed their only mare to.
>
> My point is : The Unique Hitch class is not about the number of
> participants. In fact, if there were too many entries, it would not be a safe
> class to be in, given the types of differant entries driving out there. Where
> else do people get to see farm impliments going around, pulled by Fjords, in
> farm collars, tilling, spreading, plowing or disking ? Where else do people
> have a chance to see a 4 or 5 abreast of Fjords, all working together at
> differant gaits ? Of course there are moments of brilliance. People like the
> Jensens, who have thrilled the crowd, and fellow exibitors with a tandem, a
> randem, a quadrum, and even a " suicide " hitch. There are no other classes
> in the entire country ( or North America for that matter ) for hitch's like
> these.....and to see it done with Fjords is the BEST thing going.
>
> Go to any horse show in the summer around the country. See kids classes,
> leadline, western, english ect. ect. even driving class.( YAWN. ) But, go to
> a Fjord show....and you will < HOPEFULLY > continue to see UNIQUE classes
> geared towards what the Fjord traditionally did, or CAN do. If you eliminate
> pulling, logg-skidding, or any other class that shows off the Fjord doing
> something that people come to see....or remember for years, than you lose.
> Promoting the Fjord horse has nothing to do with number of entries in a
> Unique Hitch class. It has to do with moments of brilliance, from the
> loggers, farmers, pullers......and brave, excellant drivers, willing to spend
> the time, money ( do you know how much leader lines cost for 4 and over
> horses ? ) effort, endless training ect ect. to bring these moments to shows
> like Libby. Im betting that the people, or person who wants to cancel Unique
> Hitch class, has never driven anything daring or unique themselves, let alone
> in a crowded show setting. Hey....we took a TANDEM in Unique class a few
> years ago, ( big deal ) and pushed ourselves to get there with it. It was
> unique for US, and a very pretty, elegant traditional hitch, with lots of
> history about why it was driven ect. This year we drove our 4 . Not all that
> unique, but gave the crowd on that day, a look at a big formal, beautiful
> hitch. We didnt go out there in t-shirts and ball caps either....but dressed
> to the nines, borrowed a formal groom dressed in livery, and braved another
> round with 12 Fjords out there in the heat and dust. I think that people
> in the crowd will remember the class. They were prob. moved and gratefull for
> all the work that went into bringing 4 matched Fjords 2000 miles to show
> what they can do. I know that Beth and Brain also turned on and presented
> their best that day also. 3 entries has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING. The ring
> was full. Peoples eyes were full. People will REMEMBER it.
>
> To further talk about adding an adult stick horse class, in the same place
> where its causually mentioned to eliminate the toughest, most REMEMBERED
> class for Fjords in the whole country ( Im counting Turlock, Blue Earth and
> Libby ) is just insulting. The kids stick horse class was cute for the
> parents, mildly fun for the kiddies ( until they were made to stand around
> sweltering in the heat for 45 min before the class started, then I saw alot
> of unhappy faces ) a good photo-op for the familys, but did nothing to
> promote the Fjord horse. If you think that grandpa, sitting in his wheel
> chair, that came to see the Fjords.....or the people searching for
> information on buying one, or someone there to see a potential stallion, had
> their socks knocked off by the kids on their sticks, you are wrong. Im not
> talking about eliminating the kids classes. Goodness knows, we were out there
> with Cody, not that many years ago. BUT, dont take away the very
> class.....where you see photos from those moments of brilliance heading
> peoples web sites, or on the front page of the local paper, or on the cover
> of an all-breed newspaper.
>
> Dont discount the leaders, and the brave people trying to show something
> differant or UNIQUE in the world of Fjords. Otherwise, what will make
> people come to a Fjord show, isstead of any other horse show going on ? Dont
> casualy state that due to lack of entries......you need commitments. If you
> have it, we will come. We will not come to show ourselves riding around on
> wooden fake Fjords. If you want to do that, go for it. Better at lunck break,
> or between major tack change classes. People do not come to Libby to see
> Michele Noonan, Catherine Lassissen, Shirley Anderson, or ME galloping around
> on sticks. ( friends of mine, all...you better be laughing M,C,+S )
>
> OK Ive said my piece. Pulling on my flame suit. Matter of fact, flame
> away.....Im used to it. Now that I think of it.....I might PAY to see Sandy
> North out there riding her stick Fjord pony. Oh well, dream on. ; /
>
> Keep the Unique Hitch class. Keep the pulling, logg skidding and any
> other beautiful, difficult or crowd thrilling class. Promote what the Fjord
> can do....and what Fjord owners are willing to push themselves to try. Not
> how many people are out there, that year, willing to do it.
>
> Lisa Pedersen * Cedar City, UTAH
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:27:49 -0900
From: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: "Song of Norway" movie
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Someone on the CD-L mentioned the movie "Song of Norway" the story of
Edvard Greig. "The first 20 minutes or so is magnificent photography and
two turnouts of Norweigan Fjords and road carts racing DOWN a mountain.
Lots of carriage shots in this movie. Catch it if you can...(the music is
OK, too!)"
Has anyone else seen this movie? And know where can we get it?
Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where it has warmed up to -15F, may get almost
to zero today!. We need snow! Only 4 hours daylight today...but the
shortest day is coming!
************************************************************
Jean Ernest
Fairbanks, Alaska
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 08:30:29 -0800
From: "D T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: No more unique hitch at Libby?
This message is from: "D T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I am new to this list and didn't know about Libby until it was to late for
me to make plans to come. I didn't even know what would be shown at Libby
except for Fjords and that is all I cared about Fjords. Now, I was new to
Fjords and didn't own one yet but wanted to own one. I was one of the folks
some of you talk about when mentioning wanting to introduce new people to
the breed and show them what they can do.
Let me say this, the one thing I knew that a Fjord could do was pull. I just
expected, without knowing, that if I went to Libby I would be seeing Fjords
pull. Had I gone to Libby, or when I do go next year, and I don't see Fjords
pulling logs, tools, etc. I will be very disappointed. I don't see how
anyone can even consider a Fjord horse show that wouldn't show this
wonderful attribute of the Fjord horse.
Please, if there is not going to be this type of exhibition let me know so I
won't be astonished when I get to Libby. I am not saying that Fjords can't
do anything else. Lars, my sweet adorable guy, does trail rides with me. I
love it and I doubt he will ever be hitched to a plow. However I still love
seeing those magnificent horses doing one thing they do well, pulling,
pulling and pulling.
Deb
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:33:20 -0500
From: Vivian Creigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Denny Emerson's article - Horse Breeding
This message is from: Vivian Creigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Carol there is no need to download just go to link and read online.
I've gotten paranoid
> about about attachments - So far I've avoided getting infected by "Vs",
> but probably have missed a lot of interesting attachments along the way.
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 08:59:14 -0800
From: "Ursula Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Unique hitch
This message is from: "Ursula Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Lisa....You 'GO GIRL'........it's always easy to sit in a meeting and throw
these classes around....manipulate and make decisions.....BUT...the bottom
line is....the Unique hitch had 12 entries (horses) this year....what's that
'CHOPPED LIVER"?.....Ursula
Leave the cutesy stuff for fillers and children.....IMHO!
Ursula & Brian Jensen
Trinity Fjords
Box 1032 Lumby BC Canada V0E-2G0
http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(250) 547-6303
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:22:22 -0500
From: "Cheryl Beillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Solar's Passing and Carol's Salute
This message is from: "Cheryl Beillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I too am saddened by the loss of a wonderful horse and sympathise with Lindsay
who must be devastated.
But I also wanted to thank Carol for the history and the tribute .. it was
fascinating for me to read about Solar and his offspring, temperment etc. as I
have a mare who has both Brusvein and Solar in her background, via Courage . and
she has that wonderful temperment Carol mentioned -- those of you who know me
and heard about my first marathon with Tunica, as a very green 3 year old, when
we got lost on the course but she trucked on through several dicey turns and
encounters with the unexpected, with her ear back listening and her whole body
attuned to me, clearly putting her faith in me to get her out of what she must
have thought was a highly dangerous activity, will know that I was simply
overwhelmed by her trust and "courage". And she is a wonderful mare to work
with .. Olaf Nyby worked with her for a day this fall and says she is developing
a super trot and has great rhythm ... getting better all the time. But for me,
it's her whole demeanour and interest in people. So I thank Solar for his
contribution, too.
I also wanted to mention for those who are in the reception area, that Tunica
and I, along with "W" -- our second Felix offspring (now finally named "Wenche",
in honour of a contact at the Norwegian Embassy in Ottawa), that all three of us
will be interviewed! tomorrow morning on TV ('the New RO' ) as part of a number
of profiles the station is doing with the Ambassador at his residence in
Rockcliffe Park (I"m a little nervous about the venue!) .. which will cover
Norwegian Xmases (trees, food, etc), Norwegian sweaters (which they are
promoting in Canada) and of course, the Norwegian Horse .. ! I have to get up
and at 5 am to get there for our 15 minutes (or less) of fame. This is one of a
series of events I am helping the Embassy with, which will involve my horses and
hopefully others in Ontario and the rest of Canada who want to help promote the
breed. More on that later as we get the programme defined.
In the meantime, I'd like to join Carol in saying how sorry I am that Solar has
moved on to his place in the heavens but how lucky we are that he left so many
fine horses to carry on.
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:23:43 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SMZ's
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To prepare SMZ's for syringe feeding: Mix with 1 or 2 TBLS warm water. Then
add 1 or 2 TBLS cheap maple syrup. The syrup liquifies the paste and makes
the whole mess palatable.
Pam Garofalo
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:35:57 -0600
From: Alan Furchtenicht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "Song of Norway" movie
This message is from: Alan Furchtenicht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The movie is probably available for purchase on videocassette, perhaps also
now on DVD. I saw the movie in the theater when it came out many years ago.
I don't think it received very good reviews, but if you are interested in
Norway, Grieg, etc. it was a movie you had to see. The scenery was great
anyway.
Our regional library system has several copies of the videocassette that
circulate, so you should try your local library. At the least, they should
probably be able to get a copy for you on interlibrary loan.
Alan Furchtenicht
Madison, WI
At 07:27 AM 12/10/2001 -0900, you wrote:
>This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Someone on the CD-L mentioned the movie "Song of Norway" the story of
>Edvard Greig. "The first 20 minutes or so is magnificent photography and
>two turnouts of Norweigan Fjords and road carts racing DOWN a mountain.
>Lots of carriage shots in this movie. Catch it if you can...(the music is
>OK, too!)"
>
>Has anyone else seen this movie? And know where can we get it?
>
>Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where it has warmed up to -15F, may get almost
>to zero today!. We need snow! Only 4 hours daylight today...but the
>shortest day is coming!
>
>************************************************************
>Jean Ernest
>Fairbanks, Alaska
>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:19:36 +0100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eike Schoen-Petersen)
Subject: european pedigrees
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eike Schoen-Petersen)
excerpts from Carol's mail on the topic:
>
> PLEASE UNDERSTAND that all this information is on record in Holland, and
> (I assume Norway). It's only a question of somebody asking for it.
>
>
> ANOTHER PROBLEM - When an owner sends in an application to register, or
> transfer from another registry, he can't know until he receives his NFHR
> certificate whether it's going to be a complete 5 generation pedigree, or
> whether there'll be holes in it. --
>
> If it's not, he then has to track down the missing information, return the
> original certificate (with another fee), and wait for a new certificate to
> be made. Problem is, this isn't an easy task for a lot of owners as many
> would have no idea where to get this information. The NFHR Registrar knows
> how to do it.
>
>
> Isn't there a better way? Should owners contact Mike before sending in
> registration applications or transfers to find out if five generations are
> in the computer?
>
> That would entail much more work for Mike because he'd have to look up
> every applicant, rather than just the ones that come up incomplete when
> he's doing the certificates.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> This is pretty simple. 4th and 5th generations Fjordhorses are in the
> European Studbook computers.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> The NFHR should write the European registries and formally request their
> cooperation in obtaining prompt pedigree information on horses in their
> data banks.
>
> When you finally get the registration certificate for your new Fjord,
> wouldn't you rather have it completely filled in, rather than see a lot of
> blank spaces?
>
> Regards, Carol Rivoire
>
In Europe we are used to transferring horses from different countries quite a
lot. What you get when you buy a horse used to be the pedigree/birth
certificate and now is the "equine passport". This should contain the pedigree
and I mean THE pedigree. Not holes. Why would there be holes in a
computer-printout by a registry that has the complete data in the computer?
Even in the days when we didn't have computers it was all written out in full.
Some papers only include the first 3 generations, there could be a problem. If
the Dutch include some ancestors but not others in the papers it sure seems an
unusual way of doing it.
Maybe Bob van Bon could organize access to the studbook information as the
Danish have done with their Winhorse-system and Norway is planning to do
(within
the next millenium I expect).
Eike Schoen-Petersen
Haffwiesenhof
17375 Leopoldshagen
Germany
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:40:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Cynthia Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Secret Santa Sign-up - LAST CHANCE!
This message is from: Cynthia Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
This is the last chance to sign up for Secret Santa.
Please send your name, address, mailing address if
needed, phone number and what you and your horse would
like from your secret santa. Secret Santa's are not
expected to spend more than $25.
Sign up now!
SS Elf,
=====
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Las Cruces, NM
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:25:01 -0800
From: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Libby classes - long
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi all -
You can remove your flame suit, Lisa, glad to hear from you. Just to clear
things up, we aren't adding an Adult Stick Horse Class, just a division
within the same one we had last year.
As I wrote in my original post, I was seeking comments/committments - thank
you for responding. You made excellent points about the Unique Hitch Class.
Do I hear you committing to entering it? We have some good tape of Brian J.
and his Random Hitch - it was really something. The Comm also was pleased
and impressed that we had so many 4-up teams this year. Way cool.
We are adding a matched pairs class that will have a pattern, including a
small jump, so that should be an interesting one, too. The challenge that
the Show Comm faces each year is the same. How to provide classes that will
interest and challenge really experienced, skilled folks, while at the same
time offering opportunities for newer folks, kids, and those who want just
plain fun classes. That is - we want to please everyone. Lots of luck....
An important goal is to interest as many people as possible from Nordicfest
in coming [and paying] and meeting Fjords and Fjord owners. Promoting the
breed is part of the mandate of the PNFPG. This year, the Show Comm promoted
the Stick Horse contest as a way to help interest Libby folks, and, at the
last minute, a bunch of grown-ups [well, at least they were pretty tall]
appeared from Libby and had a ball, while at the same time amusing the
crowd. We expect that that particular class will be even more popular with
"Townies" this year, many of whom haven't been up close and personal with
Fjords before.
The Comm also faces the challenge of varying the program somewhat from year
to year. That's why I asked for suggestions from our listening, well,
reading, audience. Keep those cards and letters coming! If only we could
have 102 classes instead of about 50....
Regarding the Eval - last year's was the first at Libby in a long time, it's
not been a regular event. The Evaluation Committee believes that having
Evals in conjunction with shows is not working, in that horses and people
are worn out by the end of things. I'm sure they will do their best to
schedule one on the west coast as soon as possible.
Happy Holidays - Peg
Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA
http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:42:54 -0500
From: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: european pedigrees
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 08:19 PM 12/10/2001 +0100, you wrote:
>This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eike Schoen-Petersen)
>
>In Europe we are used to transferring horses from different countries quite a
>lot. What you get when you buy a horse used to be the pedigree/birth
>certificate and now is the "equine passport". This should contain the
>pedigree
>and I mean THE pedigree. Not holes. Why would there be holes in a
>computer-printout by a registry that has the complete data in the computer?
There isn't any holes in the pedigrees that are in the Passports Eike. The
passports that I get only have 3 generations printed in them though. So
since the NFHR prints a 5 generation pedigree for all of the horses
registered with us there can be some "Holes" in the 4th & 5th generations
if the importer does not provide the full 5 generation pedigree for the
horse. Usually some of the 4th & 5th generations will be filled in due to
the horses being in the NFHR database already. The holes usually show up
in the mare lines as there are so many more of them than there are stallions.
>
>Even in the days when we didn't have computers it was all written out in
>full.
>Some papers only include the first 3 generations, there could be a problem.
That is the "Problem".
>If
>the Dutch include some ancestors but not others in the papers it sure
>seems an
>unusual way of doing it.
No this is not the case. They provide a full 3 generation pedigree as does
Norway & most other countries we get horses imported from.
>Maybe Bob van Bon could organize access to the studbook information as the
>Danish have done with their Winhorse-system and Norway is planning to do
>(within
>the next millenium I expect).
That would be nice for sure. The NFHR has that too. If you haven't seen
our Pedigree site please do take a look at it. How do you access the
Danish Winhorse-system? I haven't seen that one yet. The Canadian
Registry has a pedigree lookup site as well. Here are the links to the
NFHR's site:
http://www.nfhr.com/ponyweb/
Here is the Canadian site:
http://www.clrc.on.ca/cgi-bin/query.cgi?_association=90
Mike
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Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry
Mike May, Registrar
Voice 716-872-4114
FAX 716-787-0497
http://www.nfhr.com
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:21:32 -0800
From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: sinus problems
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Steve does Naxcel have penicillin in it? Jean Thanks so much for your
suggestions.
Jean Walters Gayle
[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ]
http://users.techline.com/jgayle
Send $20
Three Horses Press
PO Box 104
Montesano, WA 98563
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:39:16 -0400
From: Arthur and Carol Rivoire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pedigree Info - 5 generation reg. cert.
This message is from: Arthur and Carol Rivoire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in beautiful, sunny Nova Scotia
where the grass is still green, although today it's covered with a light
snow -
I agree with Sophie Fieldler of Green Valley Farm that it's fun and
educational to research pedigrees. Pedigrees are the foundation of the
breed, and every serious breeder should have a fascination with them.
However, as far as obtaining registration certificates that are complete to
the 5th generation, not everybody has such an interest, or even knows where
to go to get the information. How many people know the fax # of the Dutch
or Norwegian Studbooks?
My point is I think it's in the best interest of the breed and the owners
to have completed registration certificates, especially since the NFHR
certificate is a 5 generation one.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I thought the best and easiest way to get this
information on the certificates would be to have the Registrar make the
inquiries, if in the course of doing a certificate, he finds he doesn't
have all the antecedents in his computer.
Someone asked if the European STudbooks have this information in their data
bases. I don't know about Norway, Denmark, Germany . . . but I'm fairly
certain that Holland's data base is up-to-date. They became computerized
years ago.
It's a good thing that the NFHR has a 5 gen. cert., and I guess the
reasoning is that as the system matures, eventually all the pedigree
information will become part of the Registry's data base, and then we'll
all get complete 5 generation registration certificates.
I'm just wondering if the process can be speeded up somehow . . .
I know if the Registrar did what I'd like to see done, it would be extra
work, but how much? If he has to repeatedly fax the European Studbooks to
get answers, that would be discouraging. But, maybe something like a
formal letter would smarten them up a bit. - And would it be too much
extra work if all he had to do was fax the Dutch or Norwegians and ask
once, and be fairly certain of a timely reply? It is in the interest of
all Fjord registries to have a reliable reciprocity in all matters related
to Fjordhorses.
Just some thoughts I think worth considering.
Regards, Carol Rivoire
Carol and Arthur Rivoire
Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II
R.R. 7 Pomquet
Antigonish County
Nova Scotia
B2G 2L4
902 386 2304
http://www.beaverdamfarm.com
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:34:56 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: "Song of Norway" movie
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have the Video of it and it says on the back of it:
Copyright 1970 ABC Pictures International, INC.
Then it says in another place:
Playhouse Video
A Division of CBS/FOX VIDEO
So I don't know if this will help you any, but I would go to a Video store
and see if they can order it for you.
Rondi Tyler.
So. Calif.
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Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 10:32:40 -0800
From: wanda m hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Denny Emerson's article
This message is from: wanda m hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
This is from Joel Harman.
Good article. Some of this has been brought for discussion before- only
to be greeted with very little discussion. Maybe it depends on who brings
it up or how it is brought up.
What the article says to me is age appropriate training. Guess that puts
the burden on the breeder. Maybe it is too much for some of us?
I prefer to teach them when they are young. Easier on all parties
involved. Much better for the colt, & makes a better impression of the
breed for new prospective owners.
It does take time to teach young horses. I feel it is time well spent
when one begins to use the colt in a few years hence.
Joel Harman
Brass Ring Ranch
Mosier OR logging & farming with fjords
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:23:51 +0100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: question
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You call it "Trense" or "Gebiss"
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Anke, how do you say bit (horse's mouthpiece) in German? Jean
Jean Walters Gayle
[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ]
http://users.techline.com/jgayle
Send $20
Three Horses Press
PO Box 104
Montesano, WA 98563
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 06:39:26 +0000
From: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "Song of Norway" movie
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Try this link to buy the video......
www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/movie/pid/1125741/a/Song+of+Norway.htm - 4k
Karen McCarthy
Great Basin Fjords
Carson City, NV
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From: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Subject: "Song of Norway" movie
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:27:49 -0900
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Someone on the CD-L mentioned the movie "Song of Norway" the story of
Edvard Greig. "The first 20 minutes or so is magnificent photography and
two turnouts of Norweigan Fjords and road carts racing DOWN a mountain.
Lots of carriage shots in this movie. Catch it if you can...(the music is
OK, too!)"
Has anyone else seen this movie? And know where can we get it?
Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where it has warmed up to -15F, may get almost
to zero today!. We need snow! Only 4 hours daylight today...but the
shortest day is coming!
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Jean Ernest
Fairbanks, Alaska
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