Haha! Before you try Cairngorm, check out this article: http://blog.iconara.net/2008/04/13/architectural-atrocities-part-x-cairngorms-model-locator-pattern/
Having used Cairngorm for a while now I have to agree with him. The article is pretty harsh, and it only talks about the ModelLocator part. Dave On 11/14/08, Joel Stransky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks for the post Dave. Cairngorm sounds a lot like PureMVC which does > away with events and implements a global command structure. So far it's > appealing although my first run in with it was under bad conditions. A > client of a friend had mangled it something fierce before he was brought in > at which point he brought me in to implement deep linking. It was ugly to > say the least. I have however heard great things about it since then. My > gut > says I should know how to do this stuff on my own before I go relying too > heavily on tools that prevent me from getting to know the inner workings > intimately. > > It's just tough to esitmate flash/flex work effictively anymore without a > framework involved it seems. Clients don't have the time or budget for > builds from scratch. Flash used to be so fun but now it's a constant > learning curve. ugg. > > Interestingly enough I looked up the cairngorm site and saw a link to this > blog post made just yesterday: > http://www.anandvardhan.com/2008/11/13/popular-flex-frameworks/ > > This should also be informative. > http://www.insideria.com/2008/11/new-poll-which-flex-framework.html > > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:52 PM, David Hershberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >wrote: > > > > We have been using Adobe Flex for the past year and have really liked it. > > It would be hard to call it "blazing" and "bloat" does seem like it might > > apply to some extent, but on the other hand it does so many nice things > for > > us it is hard to argue with. MXML is very powerful, but there is > certainly > > a big learning curve. For basic stuff, buttons and containers and text, > > it's easy to get started. There are lots of subtle details though, so > when > > you start wanting to do things in ways the Flex authors didn't anticipate > > it > > often takes experimentation to find a way that works. The Flex framework > > code is open source at least, so you can always dig into that and see > what > > it's doing. > > > > We have also used Cairngorm, with mixed results. Cairngorm doesn't > really > > give you much code, it is mostly a set of design patterns. Some of the > > important code it does give is a "controller" which connects Cairngorm > > Events to Cairngorm Commands. Cairngorm events inherently know their > > dispatcher, which is a singleton, so you can just fire off events like > so: > > new SaveGameEvent(game, user).dispatch(); > > and the controller connects that to the appropriate > SaveGameCommand. We've > > come to the conclusion that Cairngorm is great for situations where most > > user actions imply immediate communications with a server, but not so > > useful > > for situations where user actions are just manipulating data internal to > > the > > .swf. We have ended up using Cairngorm Events and Commands just on the > > networking side of our app, and for everything else we do more of a basic > > Model/View pattern. > > > > I don't believe Cairngorm relies on Flex, but Flex gives you "data > binding" > > which works very nicely with Cairngorm. Flex data binding lets you mark > > certain state variables with [Bindable] and then the compiler builds > > data-change events for you. Then your view mxml classes use the data > > binding syntax like <Label text="{game.description}"/> and the view > updates > > automagically whenever the Game's description field changes. A Cairngorm > > command might query a server and then the server-response-handler in the > > command can set game.description. > > > > Dave > > > > On 11/14/08, Joel Stransky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > So I'm trying to nail down a work flow for building flash sites (read: > > not > > > flash applications) in as3. I had just about mastered fast seo friendly > > as2 > > > sites when as3 came out and now that I'm making a concerted effort to > > > modernize my skills I feel like I'm starting from scratch in many ways. > > > > > > Enter frameworks. So far I've looked at > > > Gaia<http://www.gaiaflashframework.com/index.php>, > > > PureMVC <http://puremvc.org/content/view/67/178/>, > > > Mate<http://mate.asfusion.com/>and Enterprise > > > Architect <http://www.sparxsystems.com/products/ea/index.html> (please > > add > > > any others I haven't listed) > > > On the upside, I like the idea of rapid development and reduced > monotony. > > > But the most important thing to me is extremely lightweight blazing > fast > > > flash using the least amount of bloat. In a perfect scenario, I don't > > want > > > extra file size due to wrappers of core commands. > > > > > > So, assuming I'm comfortable with the file size/rapid development trade > > off > > > with one of these packages, my concern then becomes one of dependency > and > > > learning curve. After learning a new API, am I going to have to hack or > > > work > > > around it for those interesting situations that always seem to pop up? > > What > > > if something major changes on the flashplayer and my chosen framework > > > doesn't address it? I fear becoming too dependent on a 3rd party api. > > > > > > I'd really like to know what you guys are using, any development horror > > > stories you have because of it as well as any insight you can provide > > about > > > the concerns I've listed. > > > > > > Thanks for your time. > > > > > > -- > > > --Joel Stransky > > > stranskydesign.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Flashcoders mailing list > > > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Flashcoders mailing list > > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > > > > > -- > > --Joel Stransky > stranskydesign.com > _______________________________________________ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > _______________________________________________ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
