great alternative thread

thanks guys

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Dave Watts <dwa...@figleaf.com> wrote:

> > > No one needs to learn "framework mumbo-jumbo", but if that's how you
> > > see frameworks, you're missing the point. The point of using a
> > > framework is to be able to spend less time thinking about how you
> > > organize things. Frameworks are for lazy people like me. I'd rather be
> > > watching TV than organizing my code.
> >
> > There is a backside to that. When giving up control, you are giving up
> > control. There also is the issue of getting two different frameworks to
> not
> > try and kill each other. And it's still your responsibility how things
> are
> > done, if the framework has a bug, your program has a bug.
> >
> > But the benefits are indeed there. But there is clearly more to it than
> just
> > benefits.
>
> Yes, there are definitely costs. You have to learn the framework, it
> has to be flexible enough to not constrain the tasks you're trying to
> accomplish. Frameworks should generally only constrain arbitrary
> choices, not functional choices. But you shouldn't have to get two
> different frameworks to not kill each other, because within a single
> project, there should be only one (just like Highlander).
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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