Can we get back on topic here? This is a Flex technical discussion forum discussing the future of ACTIONSCRIPT. Can the paid MS-pundits and SL-bashers go somewhere else please?
_______________________________________________________________ Joseph Balderson, Flash Platform Developer | http://joeflash.ca Scott Barnes wrote: > Understandable, at times folks can have different levels of Success. In > that right now China is ontop in the Gold Medal tally, therefore they > are the most successful right? Personally being an Australian, I'd > consider the 7 gold medals we have now as being success as that's 7 gold > medals that someone in a given sport has that you or I don't? > > Eye of the beholder is more the lesson here? > > As for the Silverlight Video Quality, i'll let others echo what majority > have stated ( I have tonnes more of these ): > > /"The online coverage of the Olympic Games on MSN is spectacular. For > this Olympics, in the digital media realm, a milestone innovation will > surely be the entrance of Microsoft's Silverlight." – Andy Plesser, Beet.TV/ > // > /"Initially, they [NBC] expected to use Adobe's Flash, given that is the > standard for video delivered over the Internet these days. But, as they > began to hash things out with Microsoft during a series of all-day > meetings at NBC's 30 Rockefeller Plaza headquarters, Microsoft was able > to show NBC some ways it could do more using its homegrown Silverlight > technology." – Ina Fried, CNET/ > // > /"Like Michael Phelps, Microsoft is chasing gold at the Olympics. With > its Silverlight rich Internet application technology, Microsoft is > helping NBC break records in online viewership…/ If Microsoft's > <http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Microsoft-Proving-Ground-Silverlight-at-the-Olympics/> > > Silverlight continues to have the success it has had in streaming video > <http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Microsoft-Proving-Ground-Silverlight-at-the-Olympics/> > > coverage of the Olympic Games around the world, it could mean gold for > Microsoft as the software giant continues its competition with Adobe and > that company's ubiquitous Flash technology" _– Darryl Taft, eWeek_// > //__// > ///_"Experts agree the enhanced features will boost usage of Microsoft's > Web technology. 'This is an opportunity for them to showcase key > features,' said Will Richmond, analyst and author of VideoNuze.com. 'It > will certainly put Silverlight on the map with tens of millions of > downloads because of the Olympics.'" – Daisy Whitney, TVWeek_/// > ///__/// > ///"It's not often when a piece of technology impresses me enough that > I do the 'wow' thing when I'm using it. But the Silverlight streaming > video implementation on NBCOlympics.com is truly awesome … I have to > give Microsoft and its technology partners that pulled this off for the > Olympics a huge round of applause." – Jon Perlow, ZDNET/// > ////// > HTH. > > On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Cole Joplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > Scott, > > I'm not exactly on board with "Silverlight will continue to have > successes as it has today." It's far too early to make that broad a > statement. One day, maybe, but today? No. The first real > all-Silverlight site, Ice Cube's UVNTV.com, has not been successful. > Big fanfare, bad video, losing traffic at the plugin download page, > big dud. Second big fanfare is the Silverlight player for video of > the Beijing Olympics. Again, video quality has been roundly > criticized as awful. Online viewership is way down from what they > expected. Today, people don't want to download the Silverlight > plugin. That is not a success. Not yet. > > --Cole > > --- On *Sat, 8/16/08, Scott Barnes /<[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>/* wrote: > > From: Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] The end of ActionScript 3 as an > EcmaScript 4 implementation > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 1:30 AM > > > Anatole, > > I understand there is a sense of umbrage towards Microsoft over > this decision; I disagree with some of the wild theories > floating around as to what the real motivation behind this is. > Seven entities in total disagreed with Mozilla and Adobe that > the proposal was a right fit. I however look forward to seeing > what the next phase of this standard will become, and overall > Silverlight will continue to have successes as it has today, if > either decision were to be blessed around this said standard. > > Silverlight has the DLR, so if folks want to spin-up their own > iteration of an ECMA standard of their choosing, you're more > than welcome to it and I'd be curious to see how you triumph! > HTH. > > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Anatole Tartakovsky > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > Scott, > I hope you realize that this goes beyond Silverlight or > any particular player - but to the heart of the browsers > problems today - performance and robustness. If it was not > for IE market share, ActionScript would of been de-facto ES4 > standard as it is supported by Mozilla and would be quickly > migrated to other OS browsers. And I have very low > expectations of Microsoft willingness to maintain IE on par > with performance, compatibility and robustness requirements > - based on personal experience. > > The fact that this standard is blocked means war - and I > would suggest as the first step for the community to create > a plugin script implementation ( recognized as attribute on > <script> tag, loaded along with Flash for faster market > penetration) to give developers a choice between old > javascript and actionscript - that can remove most of the > power Microsoft exercised last week > > Sincerely, > Anatole Tartakovsky > > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Scott Barnes > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > In what way is Silverlight proposing a new standard? > ECMA decision has no affect on Silverlight. C# for > example is a standard today, everything we are doing or > using either adheres to a standard, furthemore XAML for > example falls under our (Open Specification Promise) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Specification_Promise. > > The DLR was introduced to allow dynamic languages > outside the mainstream the ability to enter the RIA > space, without imposing restrictions or ensuring they > must abide by C# or ActionScript to get access? I would > of thought this is an obvious positive for RIA overall > (Adobe's Ryan Stewart agrees - > http://blogs.zdnet.com/Stewart/?p=356). > > Microsoft and several other folks (Yahoo!, DOJO etc) all > agreed that this wasn't the right fit, but are all > committed to ensure we find a right fit. *shrug*.. so > lumping this entirely in Microsoft's lap is a little > skewed in thinking. > > HTH. > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Cole Joplin > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > wrote: > > > --- On *Thu, 8/14/08, Scott Barnes > /<[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>/* wrote: > > C# is an ECMA-334 standard. As to how this > affects Silverlight? Cole, could you elaborate? > > Sure. Microsoft wants a new standard for web > scripting using Silverlight's RIA framework via .NET > and the Dynamic Language Runtime. They want to bring > support for IronPython and IronRuby to web > scripting. Some see that as a Microsoft technology > lock-in. Just like some saw ES4 as an Adobe lock-in > (or at least a validation of it). > > ECMA-334 was precisely about Microsoft making C# a > "standard." It's "a" standard, but not "the" > standard. It's an off-shoot. So, perhaps it is best > that history just repeats itself. Let them create a > separate ECMA standard for Microsoft/Silverlight, > and another for Adobe/Flash. Let's whip out some > ECMA-402, and ECMA-402 -- pick a number. > > My point was that this was not going to get resolved > in ES4, where one idea was going to get picked over > the other. Standards promote commonality and > adoption. Those things can translate into > competitive advantage. Microsoft was not going to > let Adobe have ES4 as "the" standard. It was too > much of an advantage. > > --Cole > > > > > > -- > Regards, > > Scott Barnes > Rich Client Platform Manager > Microsoft. > > http://blogs.msdn.com/msmossyblog > > > > > > -- > Regards, > > Scott Barnes > Rich Client Platform Manager > Microsoft. > > http://blogs.msdn.com/msmossyblog > > > > > > -- > Regards, > > Scott Barnes > Rich Client Platform Manager > Microsoft. > > http://blogs.msdn.com/msmossyblog > ------------------------------------ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! 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