Re: [flexcoders] AJAX versus Flex

Thu, 25 May 2006 09:42:09 -0700

> I have done my homework.

Figure of speech. :) Not aimed at you.

> All I am saying, just because you have a better "mousetrap" doesn't mean
that the industry will accept it at face value.

I agree but, none of the press release journalists are talking to me. I have some pretty hefty component sets comming out that include workspace xml save/load, automated desktop multi-application handling, cross application dnd and a score of components that make Ajax look like an infants toy rattle.

Yes, I have an ego but, that is becasue I kow what I am developing for release in 3 months. The point is, this debate dosn't mean anything untill the 'industry' gets to see REAL non-green Flex2 applications being implemented and used.

I said this once before, "The proof is in the pudding". Wait a year, I am humble enough to admit when I am wrong also... If Adobe is out of a job in 2 years, I guess I will do something else that keeps the food on the table! :)

Peace, Mike

On 5/25/06, Jack W. Caldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Michael:
 
I do not disagree from a technical standpoint and I have done my homework.
 
I am referring to the industry's perspective.  I am also looking at this from a
business and marketing view.
 
If you don't think that hype can make or break a product, just look at how
U.S. politics PR can "shape" a candidate.
 
All I am saying, just because you have a better "mousetrap" doesn't mean
that the industry will accept it at face value.
 
Thanks,
 
Jack

From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Schmalle
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 11:11 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] AJAX versus Flex

Hi,

my 0.02 cents.

When you talk about Ajax verses Flex. I think of one thing, Object Oriented Programming. This debate, Ajax vs. Flex, wait one more year and see the code libraries that are abstract and reusable within 2 seconds of loading them on your computer.

See, OOP lends itself well to the "I think I can, I think I can, I think I can" and then all the sudden your at rocket power. Take the Adobe flex2 framewrok and give it a trigger, I could out perform most that take Ajax and try to figure out the rats nest that comes with all the browsers, the half ass code libraries, etc.

OOP is still new and well, if you know what it is and how powerful it can speed up an entire community of developers, Ajax is then going to have to play catch up.

Flex2 isn't even public yet, so all this grandious, bs that the 'News' likes to fill your head with means nothing to a real Flex2 developer like myself.

As far a Microsoft... who cares! They have been leading for years and will still lead as long as there bank accounts can still pay court battles. There is never just one leader in this world, common, do your homework.

Peace, Mike

On 5/25/06, jwc_wensan <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
To all:

Got this email today, http://ajax.sys-con.com/ and it got me to
thinking.

I may get blasted for this, but here goes . . . just my .0199 cents.

Let me first say I believe 100% that the Flex platform is a
better "mousetrap".  I am currently developing applications with
Flex.  I prefer Flex.

However, you can not open a software magazine, newsletter, journal,
article, etc. that doesn't reference something about AJAX.  It's
everywhere.  Adobe's Flex gets an "honorable mention".

I have been in the software business for over 27 years.  I have seen
many companies come and go that had a better "mousetrap".  I also
realize that most end users do not care if a desktop app is
developed with Visual C++ or Visual Basic.  So why would they care
what a RIA app is developed with.  Probably not.

In the end it is the application not the engine.

There seems to be a parallel between PCs with Windows and
Apple/Macs.  Many believe that the Mac is better, but Apple/Mac has
less the 5% of the market.

Can Adobe accept 5% market share?

You also can not under estimate the impact when Microsoft releases
Atlas.  And no Robert I don't want to hear about how you hate MS or
the evil empire.  Fact is, tens of thousands of developers will and
I say will use their product.

What this also does is make it more difficult for developers to
convince management that the Flex product is better.  Especially
when all they hear is AJAX this and AJAX that.

AJAX is getting all the hype.  Right or wrong these are the facts. 
They have essentially taken over the RIA landscape and claimed it as
their own.

My point . . . . Adobe you need to step up to the plate.  If you
think you can wait, then by the time you start you will be too far
behind.  You will be left behind always playing catch-up.  If
you want to reach that 1 million developer goal, it needs to start
now.

To be better and say you are better is not enough.  If the industry
has already declared AJAX as the RIA industry leader then it becomes
too late.

From a market perception, look how AJAX has evolved in the last
year.  Compare that to Adobe Flex.  Adobe you are asking developers
to make a commitment to you, well I think you need to increase your
commitment to us.

Now is the time to promote to the industry and the general public as
a whole about the value of Flex.

Again, just my opinion.

Sincerely,

Jack






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